Response to 'prove evolution true'

Originally posted by King Tiger
I'll take a look at these, and I'm sure you'll give me time to respond as it will take some time for me to find adequate time to devote something substantive to this. So please bear with me. Also, I may enlist the opinion of several very trusted academics who are closer to these fields or perhaps (hopefully) in them. If interested, when I find any (assumi ...[text shortened]... ct shedding light on it, may I forward them to you. You seem reasonable, which I can appreciate.

I was looking for your thoughts on the matter. But sure, digest and post at your leisure.

So what about the dinosaurs? How do they fit into your scheme of things?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Interesting question, one I had not thought about before. I'm asking
because I don't know, not because I'm up to something, but does every
body from moon to planet have the same number of craters that our
moon does? Could it be that some of them may have formed for other
reasons if that isn't the case? If the earth doesn't have them like the moon
and i ...[text shortened]... arth was spared for
some reason and everything else was hit, hmm thank God for that!
🙂
Kelly

Every planet/moon in the solar system that has a rocky surface, has craters, including the earth. The amount of weathering of the craters tells us something about the environment on the respective planet/moon as well as the age of the craters.
The earth has a number of craters still visible although many of them show significant weathering. The movement of tectonic plates and weathering is the main reasons the Earth is not covered in craters.
There is no reason to think the earth was spared.

Originally posted by divegeester
Good grief you're irritating. It's bloody obvious what I'm contesting.

I am still curious about what it was that you were contesting.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Every planet/moon in the solar system that has a rocky surface, has craters, including the earth. The amount of weathering of the craters tells us something about the environment on the respective planet/moon as well as the age of the craters.
The earth has a number of craters still visible although many of them show significant weathering. The movement ...[text shortened]... reasons the Earth is not covered in craters.
There is no reason to think the earth was spared.

God is the reason.

The Instructor

Originally posted by King Tiger
Considering this thread Thread 156033 I'm actually very pleased to have your opposition. If I didn't, I would be concerned that I hadn't taken a strong enough stand.

To pianomen1-Why the deep hate? It merely being a lie in your opinion does not provide a strong enough rational basis for such enmity.

You didn't read my original post. I ...[text shortened]... bjected in the same way you suggest they are now to creationism to evolution?

Sad, just sad.

i have no idea what your stance was on that thread. if i were to guess, i would say you were against the notion that teaching creationism in schools is wrong.

Originally posted by King Tiger
Considering this thread Thread 156033 I'm actually very pleased to have your opposition. If I didn't, I would be concerned that I hadn't taken a strong enough stand.

To pianomen1-Why the deep hate? It merely being a lie in your opinion does not provide a strong enough rational basis for such enmity.

You didn't read my original post. I ...[text shortened]... bjected in the same way you suggest they are now to creationism to evolution?

Sad, just sad.

King Tiger, you seem an intelligent person, and I hope, therefore, that your academic scholasticism is matched by a healthy dose of common sense. I do not hate anyone, because as the Lord Buddha taught: hate is not conquered by hate. Hate is conquered by love. I am not a Buddhist either, for that matter, but this statement seems to me to contain an eternal truth.

I am an educator. I take young minds and I allow them to develop with love and joy and beauty. I do not stuff them with my own thoughts, because, as Kahlil Gibran observed in The Prophet "they have their own thoughts".

On the matter of Young Earth Creationism, just to put you in the picture, I will readily admit that I am not a scientist, I have no specialist knowledge, I do not fully understand the chemistry and biology that have been discussed in my thread. And I am also not a Christian - by which I mean that I do not believe in the Immaculate Comception, Christ's divinity, the Resurrection and the Assumption into Heaven. I enjoy and reread many parts of the Bible, but I view Genesis as largely mythological.

So, about teaching YEC. Yes, my common sense tells me that it is a crime. That statement is not said with hate or enmity, it is said reasonably and peacefully. Why is it a crime? Because, as an educator, I will not condone the inculcation of what my my common sense tells me is lies in a young child's mind. I believe, if you will, that in the case of Creationism vs Evolution evidence so far outweighs faith.

You may accuse me, rightfully, of poetic hyperbole for emphasis in the "sexual abuse" statement, but not of hatred or ignorance.

Originally posted by Pianoman1
King Tiger, you seem an intelligent person, and I hope, therefore, that your academic scholasticism is matched by a healthy dose of common sense. I do not hate anyone, because as the Lord Buddha taught: hate is not conquered by hate. Hate is conquered by love. I am not a Buddhist either, for that matter, but this statement seems to me to contain an eternal ...[text shortened]... f poetic hyperbole for emphasis in the "sexual abuse" statement, but not of hatred or ignorance.

hate is not conquered by hate. Hate is conquered by love.
Assuming, of course, that hate is undesirable and must be conquered.

I am not a Buddhist either, for that matter, but this statement seems to me to contain an eternal truth.
An eternal truth?
How do you define this, exactly?

I do not stuff them with my own thoughts, because, as Kahlil Gibran observed in The Prophet "they have their own thoughts".
Horse crap.
If you are informed by any thought--- and you are--- if you are in possession of any philosophy--- and you are--- you cannot help but transfer some of that thought to folks with whom you come in contact... regardless of what drives you.

So, about teaching YEC. Yes, my common sense tells me that it is a crime.
I agree. YEC is in violation of every known fact, most emphatically, the Bible.

You may accuse me, rightfully, of poetic hyperbole for emphasis in the "sexual abuse" statement, but not of hatred or ignorance.
YEC is a crime against both individuals and society based on misreading the Bible, taking a hard right and then keep running.
But it's a misreading borne of ignorance, not agenda-driven purposeful action.

Sexual abuse is a crime against an individual that is based on purposeful action--- at least in today's society.

To liken action that is purposed with action based on ignorance is to invite ridicule, scorn and vociferous objection.
You ought not to feign innocence.

Originally posted by King Tiger
I would never suggest evolution is a crime, it has academic merit just as creationism. So wouldn't it be better to teach them side by side and let the young minds decipher the truth rather than be subjected in the same way you suggest they are now to creationism to evolution?

Sad, just sad.

So you want to teach Creationism side by side with Evolution.
OK
But whose creationism?

Surely all creationist stories are equally valid using your arguments?
(Including those from long-dead religions)
(And including any I choose to make up after a bottle of red)

Originally posted by wolfgang59
So you want to teach Creationism side by side with Evolution.
OK
But whose creationism?

Surely all creationist stories are equally valid using your arguments?
(Including those from long-dead religions)
(And including any I choose to make up after a bottle of red)

Creation from chaos

Cheonjiwang Bonpuli (a Korean creation myth)
Enûma Eliš (Babylonian creation myth)
Greek cosmogonical myth
Jamshid
Kumulipo
Mandé creation myth
Pangu
Raven in Creation
Serer creation myth
Sumerian creation myth
Tungusic creation myth
Unkulunkulu
Väinämöinen
Viracocha

Earth diver

Ainu creation myth
Cherokee creation myth
Väinämöinen
Yoruba creation myth

Emergence

Hopi creation myth
Maya creation of the world myth
Diné Bahaneʼ (Navajo)
Zuni creation myth

Ex nihilo (out of nothing)

Debate between sheep and grain
Barton cylinder
Ancient Egyptian creation myths
Genesis creation myth (Christianity and Judaism)
Islamic creation myth
Kabezya-Mpungu
Māori myths
Mbombo
Ngai
Popol Vuh
Rangi and Papa

World Parent

Coatlicue
Enûma Eliš
Greek cosmogonical myth
Heliopolis creation myth
Hiranyagarbha creation myth
Kumulipo
Rangi and Papa
Völuspá

Yes, King Tiger, will you be teaching these creation myths alongside your version and giving them equal prominence and validity? And this is only a selection, there's loads more.

No, you say? Really? But they all have the same scientific validity, so who are you to choose which is taught and which not in schools?

I don't think there would be much time for reading, writing and maths, but at least the little darlings would have a less parochial view of life than you do.

Originally posted by Rank outsider
[quote]

Creation from chaos

Cheonjiwang Bonpuli (a Korean creation myth)
Enûma Eliš (Babylonian creation myth)
Greek cosmogonical myth
Jamshid
Kumulipo
Mandé creation myth
Pangu
Raven in Creation
Serer creation myth
Sumerian creation myth
Tungusic creation myth
Unkulunkulu
Väinämöinen
Viracocha

Earth diver

Ainu creation myth
C ...[text shortened]... nd maths, but at least the little darlings would have a less parochial view of life than you do.

Do you know how or why everything came into being?
There even a theory on this?
Kelly

Originally posted by Rank outsider
[quote]

Creation from chaos

Cheonjiwang Bonpuli (a Korean creation myth)
Enûma Eliš (Babylonian creation myth)
Greek cosmogonical myth
Jamshid
Kumulipo
Mandé creation myth
Pangu
Raven in Creation
Serer creation myth
Sumerian creation myth
Tungusic creation myth
Unkulunkulu
Väinämöinen
Viracocha

Earth diver

Ainu creation myth
C ...[text shortened]... nd maths, but at least the little darlings would have a less parochial view of life than you do.

I look forward with interest to his response!
🙂

Originally posted by KellyJay
Do you know how or why everything came into being?
There even a theory on this?
Kelly

Haven't the foggiest. Though I don't think there needs to be a why.

I have answered your question, so perhaps you would answer one for me?

Do you support the idea of teaching creationism in state schools?

Originally posted by Rank outsider
Haven't the foggiest. Though I don't think there needs to be a why.

I have answered your question, so perhaps you would answer one for me?

Do you support the idea of teaching creationism in state schools?

I'm okay with it as long as it isn't called science.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm okay with it as long as it isn't called science.
Kelly

Why? Either it happened that way as laid out in the Bible and therefore it is scientifically true, or it didn't. It can't be true in a Religious Studies lesson, but false in a Science lesson!

Originally posted by Pianoman1
Why? Either it happened that way as laid out in the Bible and therefore it is scientifically true, or it didn't. It can't be true in a Religious Studies lesson, but false in a Science lesson!

I honestly believe it to be true, but it is faith. Now in reality if true, it will
be more trustworthy than all the results of science have given us. The rules
are different between the two, science is an ever shifting pool of knowledge
we gather more data, then change our minds based upon what we learned.
While a creation is a non-changing story, it is either true or not.
Kelly