Spirituality
17 Jan 12
18 Jan 12
Originally posted by menace71I don't exactly know where you are going with this but the "Mark of the beast" is not a bar code or chip but it is one being marked showing their association or support of worldly governments and institutions.
Are these the beginnings of the mark of the beast? Cashless society? People who refuse will not be able to function in society according to what I was reading. Can't buy sell or trade without these chips.
Interesting no doubt.
Manny
Revelation 14:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 A third angel followed the first two, saying in a loud voice, "Those who worship the beast ( Governments ) and its image ( United Nations ) and receive the mark on their forehead or on their hand
10 will themselves drink God's wine, the wine of his fury, which he has poured at full strength into the cup of his anger! All who do this will be tormented in fire and sulfur before the holy angels and the Lamb.
Remember Jesus said his kingdom "is no part of this world". If one is supporting these worldy kingdoms, they will not be a part of his kingdom and will be marked.
18 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75You misunderstand Jesus about the Kingdoms and governments of the
I don't exactly know where you are going with this but the "Mark of the beast" is not a bar code or chip but it is one being marked showing their association or support of worldly governments and institutions.
Revelation 14:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 A third angel followed the first two, saying in a loud voice, "Those who worship the bea ...[text shortened]... porting these worldy kingdoms, they will not be a part of his kingdom and will be marked.
world. Jesus wanted us to support the governments of this world for
He said, "give to Ceasar (government) what belongs to him and to God
what belongs to God. Don't you recall that God puts rulers in place and
tears them down. But we are suppossed to participate in these human
governments to help make them better. We should give God better
choices to put over us. We get the rule we deserve.
18 Jan 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsWow..... so far off I almost don't know how to respond.
You misunderstand Jesus about the Kingdoms and governments of the
world. Jesus wanted us to support the governments of this world for
He said, "give to Ceasar (government) what belongs to him and to God
what belongs to God. Don't you recall that God puts rulers in place and
tears them down. But we are suppossed to participate in these human
governmen ...[text shortened]... them better. We should give God better
choices to put over us. We get the rule we deserve.
If we Christians are supposed to make the goverments better my dear friend then Jesus would have done that then and he would have told his followers to do that. Did he? No, he just said to pay what we owe. Did he hold a gun for us to take up, or point to a governer or a president or King to follow? No, he heald a coin and was clearly saying this is what we owe and to obey the laws of the land as long as it did not go against God's laws.
And if we were truly going help the governments and get involved with saving them, then you might as well throw away the whole Bible because it all points to God setting up a heavenly Kingdom that his son will rule and one that will conqure all of mans problems here on earth. And if you haven't noticed that is something that mans governments have failed at completely.
PS..And you said you've studied with the Witnesses? I'm beginning to doubt that claim as these things would have been taught to you from the Bible.
18 Jan 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadhttp://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/169
I think you don't actually know what RFID chips actually are.
Identity, is already provided by identity cards, drivers licences, passports, credit cards etc. Maybe those are 'the mark of the beast'? Some people resist using them on privacy grounds, and some countries insist on them more than others.
Tracking children requires:
1. communication.
2. loc ...[text shortened]... t it actually does is nothing new, and nothing not already carried out by other technology.
Like I said LOL it's appears to be a cool technology but the down is the potential for abuse and I don't trust it.
Manny
19 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75I DON'T BELIEVE IN THE JW INTERPRETATION OF THE BIBLE SORRY
I don't exactly know where you are going with this but the "Mark of the beast" is not a bar code or chip but it is one being marked showing their association or support of worldly governments and institutions.
Revelation 14:9-10
Good News Translation (GNT)
9 A third angel followed the first two, saying in a loud voice, "Those who worship the bea ...[text shortened]... porting these worldy kingdoms, they will not be a part of his kingdom and will be marked.
19 Jan 12
Originally posted by galveston75You don't think? You don't think what? The technology is already here. The question is how will it be used? The possibilities are endless. They are not barcodes your right. There very small microchips. They could be used for tracking of inventory. Used in money to track and count it almost instantanously. The chips could be put in humans no problem. In their most basic form they just lay dormant until hit with a request then they respond back with info that's on the chip.
I know.... But I don't think a bar code or chip is in it at all.
Manny
19 Jan 12
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Originally posted by galveston75I understand what the Watchtower teaches you. Not all of that is wrong.
Wow..... so far off I almost don't know how to respond.
If we Christians are supposed to make the goverments better my dear friend then Jesus would have done that then and he would have told his followers to do that. Did he? No, he just said to pay what we owe. Did he hold a gun for us to take up, or point to a governer or a president or King to foll beginning to doubt that claim as these things would have been taught to you from the Bible.
They just put their little twists on things to keep you under their thumb.
Sure we are to pay our fair taxes; but how are we to insure we have fair
taxes, if we don't have some Christians in government to put some
restraint on those people in government who like to tax and spend all
the peoples money to get all their projects done and gather money up
to make themselves and their buddies rich. We don't want all the atheists
controlling everything in government do we? Don't just use your brain to
defend the Watchtower. Go out there and find out who is running for
elected office in the government and vote for who you think is best. You
have enough sense to know better than that.
P.S. If you don't know who to vote for, take my advice and vote for
Ron Paul. 😏
19 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsyes because lets face it , politics is not corrupt, solves lots of problems and really helps
I understand what the Watchtower teaches you. Not all of that is wrong.
They just put their little twists on things to keep you under their thumb.
Sure we are to pay our fair taxes; but how are we to insure we have fair
taxes, if we don't have some Christians in government to put some
restraint on those people in government who like to tax and spend all ...[text shortened]... that.
P.S. If you don't know who to vote for, take my advice and vote for
Ron Paul. 😏
people over come all manner of difficulties, Goddess me for someone who has been on
the planet as long as you you think you would have learned something! We are
Jehovah's witnesses and we are beautiful. You cant touch us!
19 Jan 12
Originally posted by RJHindsMy vote has always been for Jesus and what he offers. And there have always been so called Christians in politics have there not? And you think they've really made a differance? Lol.
I understand what the Watchtower teaches you. Not all of that is wrong.
They just put their little twists on things to keep you under their thumb.
Sure we are to pay our fair taxes; but how are we to insure we have fair
taxes, if we don't have some Christians in government to put some
restraint on those people in government who like to tax and spend all ...[text shortened]... that.
P.S. If you don't know who to vote for, take my advice and vote for
Ron Paul. 😏
19 Jan 12
Originally posted by menace71We will respect any government as God is allowing them to exist and obey it's laws up to the point of not disobeying God's. We will do just as Jesus told us to do and pay our dues such as taxes.
Off of the OP but so is it fair to say JW's are anti-government?
Manny
We appreciate what good there is in all governments and what they provide for us all but that is not where our allegance goes. That only goes to God and to his son Jesus.
We look forward to the time in the future when God's will finally happens and all the problems that mans governments cannot fix will finally be done.
There you go....
19 Jan 12
Originally posted by menace71I still don't think you understand the technology. RFID chips are not a good solution for tracking people. Currently, cellphones are the best way to track people - and probably far more effective at that job than you probably realize. Here in SA, it is now a legal requirement that you mast prove your identity and address before purchasing a SIM card. This assist the government (police) in their investigations of crimes perpetrated by criminals whilst using cell phones.
You don't think? You don't think what? The technology is already here. The question is how will it be used? The possibilities are endless. They are not barcodes your right. There very small microchips. They could be used for tracking of inventory. Used in money to track and count it almost instantanously. The chips could be put in humans no problem. In thei ...[text shortened]... t until hit with a request then they respond back with info that's on the chip.
Manny
I wont be long before a police man can look on his laptop and ask it "whose in that car" and it will be able to tell him which cell phones are there and who registered them. RFID chips cant do that. They don't work that way.
19 Jan 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadI could possibly point out EXACTLY where we are at this specific point in time. The world has surely forgotten about God and some churches are surely falling away from the faith, so if i would guess, i'll geuss we are at the Godlessness in the last days.
Be specific. State one of those signs that you feel indicates the current time. Or must I point out that all of them do not fit the current times?
Or are you going to fall back on "well non-Christians wont be able to read between the lines"?
You can make all the assumptions you want and pass as many critics you want, if the shoe fits......