14 Jul 14
RHP Spirituality Forum Profile Poll (Poll Summary: August 31, 2014)
Three apropos questions requiring one of four on-topic answers each:
A. Yes. B. Maybe. C. No. D. Non-Applicable. Comments welcome.
1. Does an Omnipotent Sovereign God Exist?
2. If so, has God revealed Himself to mankind?
3. Does God have a plan which includes you?
Thank you.
14 Jul 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyNice try here, Bob, but I'm guessing you're not going to get a lot of participation from the non-believer crowd. To them, it's just more of the same from you.
[b]RHP Spirituality Forum Profile Poll (Poll Summary: August 31, 2014)
Three apropos questions requiring one of four on-topic answers each:
A. Yes. B. Maybe. C. No. D. Non-Applicable. Comments welcome.
1. Does an Omnipotent Sovereign God Exist?
2. If so, has God revealed Himself to mankind?
3. Does God have a plan which includes you?
Thank you.[/b]
Are you trying to get stats on believers/non-believers? Like numbers of each, maybe gradations between the two poles? A different set of no-bias questions might fly better if this is your aim.
14 Jul 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI've interpreted B as 'I dunno' rather than 'maybe'. It's pretty close I reckon.
[b]RHP Spirituality Forum Profile Poll (Poll Summary: August 31, 2014)
Three apropos questions requiring one of four on-topic answers each:
A. Yes. B. Maybe. C. No. D. Non-Applicable. Comments welcome.
1. Does an Omnipotent Sovereign God Exist?
2. If so, has God revealed Himself to mankind?
3. Does God have a plan which includes you?
Thank you.[/b]
1) B but probably C
2) B but probably C
3) B but probably C
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14 Jul 14
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby1.) Amen (A)
[b]RHP Spirituality Forum Profile Poll (Poll Summary: August 31, 2014)
Three apropos questions requiring one of four on-topic answers each:
A. Yes. B. Maybe. C. No. D. Non-Applicable. Comments welcome.
1. Does an Omnipotent Sovereign God Exist?
2. If so, has God revealed Himself to mankind?
3. Does God have a plan which includes you?
Thank you.[/b]
2.) Amen (A)
3.) Amen (A)
14 Jul 14
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Originally posted by SuzianneSuzi, I'm glad you asked the questions. Sole intent of this poll is to provide everyone here with an accurate collective profile of the overall mix of our present individual positions on the most basic topic possible in an online spirituality forum. There's no ulterior motive nor hidden agenda; our stat summary will be transparent. Its pragmatic purpose is to promote worthwhile logical discussion and rational debate by identifying the playing field bias. Benefit will depend on our level of participation.
Nice try here, Bob, but I'm guessing you're not going to get a lot of participation from the non-believer crowd. To them, it's just more of the same from you.
Are you trying to get stats on believers/non-believers? Like numbers of each, maybe gradations between the two poles? A different set of no-bias questions might fly better if this is your aim.
14 Jul 14
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatIf my answer wasn't an A it would also have been "B [maybe] but probably C." Thanks for your intellectual honesty.
I've interpreted B as 'I dunno' rather than 'maybe'. It's pretty close I reckon.
1) B but probably C
2) B but probably C
3) B but probably C
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby1) B'
[b]RHP Spirituality Forum Profile Poll (Poll Summary: August 31, 2014)
Three apropos questions requiring one of four on-topic answers each:
A. Yes. B. Maybe. C. No. D. Non-Applicable. Comments welcome.
1. Does an Omnipotent Sovereign God Exist?
2. If so, has God revealed Himself to mankind?
3. Does God have a plan which includes you?
Thank you.[/b]
2) B'
3) C - not if I have free will. This is too teleological for my tastes.
B = maybe is too positive sounding, so I've replaced it with B' = don't know. Look on this as a minor quibble about semantics. Also there is a problem with omnipotence, what do you mean by it? Is this consistent omnipotence, where God's omnipotence is restricted to the logically possible? Or do you mean absolute omnipotence?
Edit: Changed answer 3 from B' to C.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby1) C **
[b]RHP Spirituality Forum Profile Poll (Poll Summary: August 31, 2014)
Three apropos questions requiring one of four on-topic answers each:
A. Yes. B. Maybe. C. No. D. Non-Applicable. Comments welcome.
1. Does an Omnipotent Sovereign God Exist?
2. If so, has God revealed Himself to mankind?
3. Does God have a plan which includes you?
Thank you.[/b]
2) D (by 1)
3) D (by 1)
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** I can imagine the reasoning that led to "omnipotent "God"" would not have been too dissimilar to
A: "my dad can beat up your dad"
B: "no ... my dad can beat up your dad ... twice!!"
A: "well my dad can beat up your dad fifty times!!!"
B: "my dad has lost count of how many times he has beat up your dad!!"
A: "oh yeah!? well ... my dad can beat up your dad a MILLION times ... BEAT THAT!!!!"
B: "ha! my dad can beat up your dad ... a billion times!!!"
A: "pftt ... my dad can beat up your dad ... an infinite number of times - I win yay!!!"
B: "take that back ... cos my dad can beat up ... EVERYONE's dad! ... an infinity plus one times - so nerr!!!"
14 Jul 14
Originally posted by DeepThoughtThanks, DeepThought, for participating in our spirituality forum profile poll. I appreciate the "B =" distinction you've made as well as the Edit: with respect to "3) C - not if I have free will. This is too teleological for my tastes." By "omnipotence" I refer to God's absolute, unlimited ability and authority with restrictions in any sense self imposed. God's omniscience refers to Him having all knowledge [including "the logically possible" in human terms] actual and possible; past, present and future.
1) B'
2) B'
3) C - not if I have free will. This is too teleological for my tastes.
B = maybe is too positive sounding, so I've replaced it with B' = don't know. Look on this as a minor quibble about semantics. Also there is a problem with omnipotence, what do you mean by it? Is this consistent omnipotence, where God's omnipotence is restricted ...[text shortened]... ogically possible? Or do you mean absolute omnipotence?
Edit: Changed answer 3 from B' to C.
14 Jul 14
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Originally posted by AgergAgerg, when I was a boy my curiosity about something or someone bigger and stronger than my father were heightened while looking out of my bedroom window at the moon and stars. How did they get there and who keeps them there? Same questions occurred to me watching the sun and the clouds form shapes and change whenever laying on my back in the grass on summer days. Eventually the point came when I inaudibly said: "If there's a god and you're up there, I would like to know you." Years later I learned the name of my experience is "God Consciousness". It's when a person becomes aware of the existence of a supreme being; and is then accountable for the choice of being for or against God. (Romans 1:19-20) I also learned that our volition is the decision maker of our immaterial beings [or soul]. Thanks for your thoughtful answers.
1) C **
2) D (by 1)
3) D (by 1)
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** I can imagine the reasoning that led to "omnipotent "God"" would not have been too dissimilar to
A: "my dad can beat up your dad"
B: "no ... my dad can beat up your dad ... twice!!"
A: "well my dad can beat up your dad fifty times!!!"
B: "my dad has lost count of how ...[text shortened]... hat back ... cos my dad can beat up ... EVERYONE's dad! ... an infinity plus one times - so nerr!!!"
14 Jul 14
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
RHP Spirituality Forum Profile Poll (Summary as of July 14, 2014)
Three apropos questions requiring one of four on-topic answers each:
A. Yes. B. Maybe. C. No. D. Non-Applicable. Comments welcome.
1. Does an Omnipotent Sovereign God Exist? A=2... B=1.5... C=1.5... D=0... Total=5
2. If so, has God revealed Himself to mankind? A=2... B=1.5... C=.5... D=1... Total=5
3. Does God have a plan which includes you? A=2... B=.5... C=1.5... D=1... Total=5
Thanks to the RHP Spirituality Forum contributors who have participated on day one of our poll. -Bob
15 Jul 14
Alright, fine. I wasn't going to bother with answering these, only because everyone knows my answers.
1. (A)bsolutely
2. (A)bsolutely
3. (A)bsolutely
No surprises. I'm as sure of these answers as I am of my own heartbeat, my own breath and my own brainwaves. There is no doubt. Doubt is for pansies.
16 Jul 14
Originally posted by SuzianneI'm sure my devil's stance is well known here: ! Don't know, 2 unlikely, 3, If so, it hasn't revealed it to humans who, even the smartest of us, are unlikely to be able to understand such a plan, motive or anything else to do with a real god.
Alright, fine. I wasn't going to bother with answering these, only because everyone knows my answers.
1. (A)bsolutely
2. (A)bsolutely
3. (A)bsolutely
No surprises. I'm as sure of these answers as I am of my own heartbeat, my own breath and my own brainwaves. There is no doubt. Doubt is for pansies.
With literally tens of millions killed in the last century in fighting ranging from religious to secular, no message from said god denouncing all of that, which, being a theoretical omniscient being could just as easily have said its piece to every person on the planet at the same time in their own language. Instead, we get hierarchical messages from humans CLAIMING to have spoken with some god or other. This I clearly see as not happening EVER to ANY human.
A real god would not even need to communicate with humans at all, just roll its hypothetical dice and things work out like it wants whatever humans do or don't do.