Originally posted by sonshipI will answer this another way.
.. Who are you spiritual [b] with as comrades, as brothers ?[/b]
Jesus Christ will have far more regard/reward for an atheist who does his will ie show love and charity to those less fortunate and who loves others by their actions, than he will have for those like yourself who preach false doctrines about :
- accepting him with your mouth and you will be saved
- you can sin and your sin will not count
- not even God can take away your eternal life
You are in for a rough ride pal .. brace yourself.
I have the same attitude and my spritual brothers are along the following lines:
Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
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Originally posted by Rajk999
Jesus Christ will have far more regard/reward for an atheist who does his will ie show love and charity to those less fortunate and who loves others by their actions, than he will have for those like yourself who preach false doctrines about :
So you are an ATHEIST who is looking for a handy Bible weapon to pound over the heads of Christians ?
Okay, put it this way: You are an ATHEIST with some interest in the ethical teachings in the Gospels ?
You are what some have called a "Faitheist" ?
You are in for a rough ride pal .. brace yourself.
What makes you think I am not braced ?
Why do you ASSUME that I do not think I should brace myself ?
Have you seen my thread on "The Judgment Seat of Christ" ?
Too many words to read ? ?
I have the same attitude and my spritual brothers are along the following lines:
Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Yea. Well that is all well and good. But Jesus, the same Jesus mind you, said the branches in Himself as the True Vine should love one another.
It is easy to trumpet like Elijah that you're the only true follower of God left. But the test is often CAN YOU GATHER WITH OTHERS ?
So far you come off as an Isolate, Independent, Individualistic, Stubburn kind of LONER who loves every follower of Jesus except the one near you.
IE. The farther away the better. "Stay over there far away from ME, my brothers, sisters, mothers and relatives of Jesus."
With WHOM are you built up ?
Or is it that your spirituality ISOLATES you from everyone else ?
You didn't read about Jesus commanding His disciples to love one another in John 13 and on ?
Are you a "My Way or the Highway!" kind of isolated spiritual giant ?
Eternal life is a corporate matter.
Originally posted by sonship5 edits ?
Jesus Christ will have far more regard/reward for an atheist who does his will ie show love and charity to those less fortunate and who loves others by their actions, than he will have for those like yourself who preach false doctrines about :
So you are an ATHEIST who is looking for a handy Bible weapon to pound over the heads of ...[text shortened]... My Way or the Highway!" kind of isolated spiritual giant ?
Eternal life is a corporate matter.
Originally posted by Rajk999Matthew 23:1-3
I have not seen all that in the Bible.
Some references would be helpful, thanks.
eg where did Christ say :
"do as the Pharisees say"?
"be circumcised"?
"follow the whole law"?
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
You know that Jesus did not sin, right? How so? He kept the whole law. Jesus was a Jew. He taugh the gospel of the kingdom according to the law and the prophets. Surely you understand these fundamental principles of doctrine do you not?!
Originally posted by josephwDid Christ and the disciples keep the sabbath?
Matthew 23:1-3
Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, [that] observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
You know that Jesus did not sin, right? How so? He kept the whole law. Jesus was a Jew. He taug ...[text shortened]... aw and the prophets. Surely you understand these fundamental principles of doctrine do you not?!
Did the Apostles preach that you must be circumcised?
Did Christ follow the Law of Moses when they came to him with the adulterous woman?
Originally posted by Rajk999They were Jews were they not? Do you think that Jesus and His disciples taught instead that a Jew should break the law of God?
Did Christ and the disciples keep the sabbath?
Did the Apostles preach that you must be circumcised?
Did Christ follow the Law of Moses when they came to him with the adulterous woman?
You're going down a rabbit trail Rajk. Cast off your fear and reply to my original inquiry.
"...have you ever considered that not all Biblical doctrine is for the same people groups universally?"
RajK,
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Did Christ and the disciples keep the sabbath?
Did the Apostles preach that you must be circumcised?
Did Christ follow the Law of Moses when they came to him with the adulterous woman?
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Christ did fulfill the Law of God.
The Apostles did not teach circumcision for salvation.
Christ did not go against the Law of God for a woman's stoning.
RajK,
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'My doctrine' is simply another way of saying 'my beliefs' and it is centered around the teachings of Christ.
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You only use part of what Christ said. You do not use it all. Furthermore, an atheist who does not accept Christ as Savior will not be given eternal life no matter how many Christ like things they do.
FMF,
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You think the kind of Christianity Rajk999 subscribes to is worthless?
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Apparantly, RajK doesn't ascribe to Christianity. It seems that he ascribes to commandments-ianity. It seems that Christ is not needed for salvation in RajK's opinion.
The Israelites already had the Law of God. If all Israel had to do was keep the Law of God, then why did Christ die for them? And if all the Gentiles have to do is keep the Law of God, then why did Christ die for them, as well? Why did Christ take the sins of the whole world?
RajK,
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Your teachings select what you think is the easiest route to eternal life ie to accept Christ with your mouth and you will be saved
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Why do you think that a person can speak with their mouth, but not put faith in Christ from their heart? God knows the inward part of man whether or not they accept Christ from their true intent. Your trouble seems to be that you are depending on your ability to keep the commandments of Christ and make it to eternal life without Christ doing it for you.
No one can earn salvation that is a human being only. Christ did all the sacrificing, not sinful humanity. Without Christ, God will not accept anyone. Christ is indispensable.
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John 14: 6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Romans 10: 8, 9
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Romans 10: 4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
Romans 3: 21
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Originally posted by Rajk999JosephW,
Did Christ and the disciples keep the sabbath?
Did the Apostles preach that you must be circumcised?
Did Christ follow the Law of Moses when they came to him with the adulterous woman?
Above is what was quoted by RajK. So, I will no longer say that it was your typing. Please excuse me for being fallible.
Originally posted by KingOnPointNot a problem, really! I've done the same myself a time or two. And just between you and I, I'm quite certain I'm way more fallible than you! 😉
JosephW,
Above is what was quoted by RajK. So, I will no longer say that it was your typing. Please excuse me for being fallible.
RajK,
Below is another passage of the bible. RajK, whatever you decide to do, don't die for the commandments of Christ, die for Christ Himself. Don't let someone kill you, IF you only depend on works for your eternal life.
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Galatians 2: 19-21
For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.