Show of hands.

Originally posted by Dasa
Should violent groups of people be allowed to exist in civilized society?

How would you go about disallowing them?

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is just too bad that they are following a violent religious group.
They will all have to be terminated to protect the peace lovers and
those who wish to do good rather than those who just want to do
harm and rape 70 virgins. Amen. 😏

I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and imagine that you're either joking or trolling, but it's getting tougher. If you're expressing sincerely held views, then it's a pretty oddball sect of christianity you hail from. Have you read the New Testament at all?

Originally posted by Melanerpes
This is one of the good things about living in a time in which we have the technology in place to build prisons capable of housing violent people in a place where they are extremely unlikely to escape and threaten additional harm to innocent people.

But what if you live in a place and-or time in which these technologies are-were unavailable?

If pr ...[text shortened]... what would be the best way to deal with violent people who pose a threat to the rest of society?

That is an interesting and tough question to which I wont claim to have a definitive answer.

I will allow that there are certain situations where allowing a dangerous individual to live and
remain a threat to the rest of the group/society would not be the best or most reasonable
course of action and where killing (executing) that individual would be justifiable.

However, as you say, living in a modern advanced society this situation need not arise, and
certainly can never be justifiably claimed to arise for the state.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
My thoughts were utopian rather than practical and I dont have any answers to your criticism.

I was assuming a perfect judicial system (impossible)

In particular I agree strongly with your view on judges being allowed to judge so my 3 strikes rule would be a guideline only.

I also support pre-emptive measures such as education and raising social ...[text shortened]... ate society for those who do not want to live in ours.

Maybe the Isle of Wight ..............

Hmmm, well if your going for a utopian solution I would direct you towards the Culture (fictional post-scarcity utopian society created
by Ian M. Banks) where if you commit a crime (well not really crime because they don't actually have any laws as such but an act of
violence or other infringement upon the freedoms of another individual) or indicate in some way a reasonable likelihood of committing
a crime in the future then you get 'slap droned'.

Being slap droned means that a small, combat rated, human level strong AI, sentient drone (small floating ball of varying size depending
on technological level at time of construction, these things are essentially immortal and so can be thousands of years old) which follows
you around and makes sure you don't do it again (or do it in the first place) while keeping you company and protecting you if the need
arises. (either by using forcefields to restrain you or by using its effectors to directly take over your nervous system)

Now the technology needed for an exact replica of this may not be possible, but you could certainly envision a real life scenario where you
get a robot assigned to anyone who commits a crime of a violent nature that simply follows them around and makes sure you don't ever
do it again. And also potentially enforce any restraining orders or punishments (such as social work or similar) that might be applicable.

Anyhow I recommend Ian M Banks' scifi books, particularly his culture novels, there is plenty of stuff about him and the culture on the web
(including wikipedia) if you wanted to know more.

Originally posted by Dasa
Should violent groups of people be allowed to exist in civilized society?

Don't really care about what you posted but I want to know the answer to one question. It's an important question, probably the most important question you'll ever have to answer:


How are we meant to show our hands!? 😕 It's an internet forum, we can't post hands here - it only allows text!

Originally posted by googlefudge
Hmmm, well if your going for a utopian solution I would direct you towards the Culture (fictional post-scarcity utopian society created
by Ian M. Banks) where if you commit a crime (well not really crime because they don't actually have any laws as such but an act of
violence or other infringement upon the freedoms of another individual) or indicate ...[text shortened]... f about him and the culture on the web
(including wikipedia) if you wanted to know more.

Not read any Iain Banks SciFi - maybe I should. His non Sci-Fi novels are quite extraordinary.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Not read any Iain Banks SciFi - maybe I should. His non Sci-Fi novels are quite extraordinary.

If you like scifi at all you definitely should, they're as good as it gets.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt and imagine that you're either joking or trolling, but it's getting tougher. If you're expressing sincerely held views, then it's a pretty oddball sect of christianity you hail from. Have you read the New Testament at all?

Have you reda the old testament? The old and the new go hand in hand. 😏

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Not read any Iain Banks SciFi - maybe I should. His non Sci-Fi novels are quite extraordinary.

If you are going to start Ian M Banks Scifi I would recommend you go with 'The Player of Games' or 'Consider Phlebas'
as your starting point. Most of his culture novels are independent and thus can really be read in any order, but those
two are generally regarded as the best 'getting into' books for his culture novels.
Arguments are had over which is better for this, I started myself with The Player Of Games.
Consider Phlebas is slightly unique as it is set during a major 'historical' event that takes place in the fictional reality his
books are set in, and this event is referenced back to in most of if not all the other books so I would recommend reading
it second if you don't read it first.

If you want a (non-spoilerry) primer though on the utopian society [The Culture] they are based around I recommend reading this

http://www.vavatch.co.uk/books/banks/cultnote.htm

Ian M Banks self admittedly created the Culture to be his own personal version of a utopia...
However It's one I would happily join him in.
The important points of it are probably real world possible, even if some of the stuff doesn't work with real world physics.


I do agree that his non-scifi stuff is extraordinary, but I would say that I don't actually like it, don't know if that is important to
your decision as it might puritan to differing tastes. But I felt I aught to mention it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Have you reda the old testament? The old and the new go hand in hand. 😏

Like "an eye for an eye" from the old and "turn the other cheek" from the new

Originally posted by RJHinds
Have you reda the old testament? The old and the new go hand in hand. 😏

Joking aside, how do you read the teachings of Jesus and end up being able to justify your position in this thread?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
How would you go about disallowing them?

"BUMP"

C'mon Dasa. Answer this question will ya?

I'm also interested to hear your opinion on the actual logistics of this idea being carried out.