21 Mar 12
Originally posted by JS357Therefore, Matthew 7:13,14) does not have to insist that God desires only a few to have eternal life. As far as salvation is concerned "[God] desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth." ( 1 Timothy 2:4)
Does the Biblical God have any desires that are not satisfied in every way and to the degree specified by Him?
Does the Biblical God have any desires that are not satisfied in every way and to the degree specified by Him?
This is a good question. If God desires ALL MEN TO BE SAVED will He fulfill somehow His desire ?
That is the argument of the Universalist. And they point to an Isaiah passage which says that God will accomplish all of His desire.
I think for the moment I will evade answering. Its kind of tough. I am not sure that I know the answer to that.
I think that He fulfills His desire yet not all will be saved.
21 Mar 12
The biggest problem with the OP, is that most of the questions are addressed not to atheists, but to theists considering atheism. The questioner has not put himself in the position of the atheist and asked 'what if', but has rather looked at his own position and asked 'without my God what then?'.
This shows in how God is seen as a big hole to be filled, whereas to an atheist, there is no God (and thus no hole to be filled).
As others have pointed out, the questions may be relevant to a theist who has just lost their faith and is looking for a replacement, but for the average atheist, I would think the questions show a remarkable lack of understanding of the atheist position.
22 Mar 12
Originally posted by twhiteheadAfter reading your post, I decided to google "Atheist Position on God" and up
The biggest problem with the OP, is that most of the questions are addressed not to atheists, but to theists considering atheism. The questioner has not put himself in the position of the atheist and asked 'what if', but has rather looked at his own position and asked 'without my God what then?'.
This shows in how God is seen as a big hole to be filled, ...[text shortened]... I would think the questions show a remarkable lack of understanding of the atheist position.
came this post by a guy named, Danny.
Atheist Position on God
Hemant Mehta asks:
Which statement should atheists be using?
1. There is probably no god.
2. There is no god.
In my book, Atheism is reverence toward God.
If God is almighty and all powerful, and leads an existence in the Universe beyond my ability to perceive it, then the most responsible approach I can take towards this thing beyond my perception is to shut the heck up about it, and focus on our collective worldly life.
So, maybe “God does not exist within my perception of reality.”
Or perhaps, “The question of God’s existence is irrelevant, but if for some reason it needs to reveal itself unto me, I bet it could hook that up.”
Or more modesty? “I have been unable to perceive the existence or intentions of God. I do think that Faith is important, and I put my faith in humanity, which tests my faith as surely as God tests the faith of its believers.”
Is this really the position of atheists on God?
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22 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsim a bit confused by the question. is it statement 1 and 2 you are referring to or the whole text? non of the positions seem like they are the thoughts of atheist, they look like the thoughts of a theist pretending to be an atheist. between the statements id say number 1 is the closest to how i feel.
After reading your post, I decided to google "Atheist Position on God" and up
came this post by a guy named, Danny.
Atheist Position on God
Hemant Mehta asks:
Which statement should atheists be using?
1. There is probably no god.
2. There is no god.
In my book, Atheism is reverence toward God.
If God is almighty and all powerful, a ...[text shortened]... y as God tests the faith of its believers.”
Is this really the position of atheists on God?
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22 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsThe only universality among atheists is that they (by definition) don't hold a belief in the existence of
After reading your post, I decided to google "Atheist Position on God" and up
came this post by a guy named, Danny.
Atheist Position on God
Hemant Mehta asks:
Which statement should atheists be using?
1. There is probably no god.
2. There is no god.
In my book, Atheism is reverence toward God.
If God is almighty and all powerful, a ...[text shortened]... y as God tests the faith of its believers.”
Is this really the position of atheists on God?
god or gods.
Other than that you can find people who will tell you 'their' position on god. and you can find positions
that 'many' atheists hold, but there is no "this is what atheists think" other then the aforementioned
lacking a belief in a god or gods.
Originally posted by stellspalfieHere is the link maybe you can fiqure out what he is from it.
im a bit confused by the question. is it statement 1 and 2 you are referring to or the whole text? non of the positions seem like they are the thoughts of atheist, they look like the thoughts of a theist pretending to be an atheist. between the statements id say number 1 is the closest to how i feel.
http://dannyman.toldme.com/2010/01/08/oh-god-whatever/
I was referring to this statement:
"In my book, Atheism is reverence toward God."
P.S. Even though he lacks the belief in God, which googlefudge states is the
commonality among atheist, he makes the above statement about the possible
existence of God.
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22 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsThis is simply nonsense.
"In my book, Atheism is reverence toward God."
Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
You can't be reverent to something you don't believe exists.
And Atheism is the non-belief in ALL god concepts so there is no special feeling or treatment
of any individual god concept.
Originally posted by googlefudgeSo in your opinion this man is not a true atheist just like some that claim to be
This is simply nonsense.
Atheism is a lack of belief in a god or gods.
You can't be reverent to something you don't believe exists.
And Atheism is the non-belief in ALL god concepts so there is no special feeling or treatment
of any individual god concept.
Christian are not true Christians, right?
22 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsThe problem for you with atheism is you are so brainwashed by your christian dogma your cognitive dissonance cannot bring you around to even acknowledging there even could be such a concept as atheism.
After reading your post, I decided to google "Atheist Position on God" and up
came this post by a guy named, Danny.
Atheist Position on God
Hemant Mehta asks:
Which statement should atheists be using?
1. There is probably no god.
2. There is no god.
In my book, Atheism is reverence toward God.
If God is almighty and all powerful, a ...[text shortened]... y as God tests the faith of its believers.”
Is this really the position of atheists on God?
So you end up distrusting, hating, disturbed by, whatever adjective you want to place here in regards to atheists and atheism in general.
You view atheists and atheism as enemy. You have no gray, only black and white, either you are for me or against me.
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22 Mar 12
Originally posted by RJHindsNo.
So in your opinion this man is not a true atheist just like some that claim to be
Christian are not true Christians, right?
There is no such thing as 'true atheism' as distinct from any other atheism.
You either have a belief in a god or gods or you don't.
If you don't you are an atheist.
It's that simple.