19 Sep 11
Originally posted by buckkyChapter 3. Karma-yoga
Why would you want to be in chains ? The contraction that is within all minds needs to be released for true freedom to be had.
TEXT 39
avrtam jnanam etena
jnanino nitya-vairina
kama-rupena kaunteya
duspurenanalena ca
SYNONYMS
avrtam--covered; jnanam--pure consciousness; etena--by this; jnaninah--of the knower; nitya-vairina--eternal enemy; kama-rupena--in the form of lust; kaunteya--O son of Kunti; duspurena--never to be satisfied; analena--by the fire; ca--also.
TRANSLATION
Thus, a man's pure consciousness is covered by his eternal enemy in the form of lust, which is never satisfied and which burns like fire.
PURPORT
It is said in the Manu-smrti that lust cannot be satisfied by any amount of sense enjoyment, just as fire is never extinguished by a constant supply of fuel. In the material world, the center of all activities is sex, and thus this material world is called maithunya-agara, or the shackles of sex life. In the ordinary prison house, criminals are kept within bars; similarly, the criminals who are disobedient to the laws of the Lord are shackled by sex life. Advancement of material civilization on the basis of sense gratification means increasing the duration of the material existence of a living entity. Therefore, this lust is the symbol of ignorance by which the living entity is kept within the material world. While one enjoys sense gratification, it may be that there is some feeling of happiness, but actually that so-called feeling of happiness is the ultimate enemy of the sense enjoyer.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadMany sensitive people often do think of suicide as a solution,everyone knows that! But the real triumph is when we overcome all our diffiiculties,when we remove all our chains that bind us to dualities like happiness-unhappiness etc. Freedom from these dualities is the real freedom.
You would be even freer, if you killed yourself. That would guarantee that you would have no attachment to things of this world. But who wants that sort of freedom?
Why do you want to be free?
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoWhy is it so hard to answer a simple question? Why do you want this freedom?
But the real triumph is when we overcome all our diffiiculties,when we remove all our chains that bind us to dualities like happiness-unhappiness etc. Freedom from these dualities is the real freedom.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by DasaNot murdering someone doesn't make the "absolute minimal", and yet "not gambling" does? You feel the person or book that told you this is an "authority"?
These 4 pillars are the absolute minimal for the student to begin their spiritual life.
There are instructions about killing/not killing in the Veda but that's another topic.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by FMFI have just finished saying that there are further instructions in the Veda about killing / not killing.
Not murdering someone doesn't make the "absolute minimal", and yet "not gambling" does? You feel the person or book that told you this is an "authority"?
The instruction to not eat meat - also comes with a lengthy purport to explain that meat eating requires killing and that killing is forbidden and it then goes into details of killing.
Your constant fault finding mentality is just further dishonesty - and it displays your meagre intelligence.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by DasaSo 'Do not murder other humans' is somehow covered by 'Be A Vegetarian' and does not even make the top "4 pillars [that] are the absolute minimal" for a spiritual life? That seems very peculiar, Dasa. Asking you if you are seriously saying that your chosen "authority" has told you this, has got nothing to do with my "mentality" or my "intelligence". I ask the question in a spirit of honest exchange and good faith, and would appreciate if you respected that, although it's not a deal breaker, I suppose.
I have just finished saying that there are further instructions in the Veda about killing / not killing.
The instruction to not eat meat - also comes with a lengthy purport to explain that meat eating requires killing and that killing is forbidden and it then goes into details of killing.
Your constant fault finding mentality is just further dishonesty - and it displays your meagre intelligence.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoNo, rvsakhadeo, it was you - and not twhitehead - who said "Many sensitive people often do think of suicide as a solution,everyone knows that!" And I am asking you - not twhitehead - what you mean: it is, in your mind, a "solution" to what? A "solution" to clinical depression? A "solution" to a bipolar condition? I am asking what you meant by your post, not what twhitehead meant in some other post to which I am not referring.
Well,twhithead said that one could be'freer' if one killed oneself. My post was in reply. For your other queries,ask him.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by FMFMy post was in reply to twhithead's post and therefore has to be read in that context.All that I was telling twhithead was that suicide is no way to be free.So I stated that suicides take place because sensitive souls often think of them as solutions to their problems ( as often read in their suicide notes). I will recommend God's Bhakti to anyone as a solution to his/her problems and more importantly as a way to be free. Suicide is no solution to any problem,that is my view.
No, rvsakhadeo, it was you - and not twhitehead - who said "Many sensitive people often do think of suicide as a solution,everyone knows that!" And I am asking you - not twhitehead - what you mean: it is, in your mind, a "solution" to what? A "solution" to clinical depression? A "solution" to a bipolar condition? I am asking what you meant by your post, not what twhitehead meant in some other post to which I am not referring.
This is a reply from me the polite person that you have called me once.
Let me stay polite on RHP for ever.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by FMFYour comments were not genuine and you were being sarcastic.
So 'Do not murder other humans' is somehow covered by 'Be A Vegetarian' and does not even make the top "4 pillars [that] are the absolute minimal" for a spiritual life? That seems very peculiar, Dasa. Asking you if you are seriously saying that your chosen "authority" has told you this, has got nothing to do with my "mentality" or my "intelligence". I ask the qu ...[text shortened]... ould appreciate if you respected that, although it's not a deal breaker, I suppose.
19 Sep 11
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoIt was you who used the words "solution" and "sensitive people". Do you actually know anything about suicide and clinical depression, or are you just winging it?
My post was in reply to twhithead's post and therefore has to be read in that context.All that I was telling twhithead was that suicide is no way to be free.So I stated that suicides take place because sensitive souls often think of them as solutions to their problems ( as often read in their suicide notes). I will recommend God's Bhakti to anyone as a s ...[text shortened]... y from me the polite person that you have called me once.
Let me stay polite on RHP for ever.