08 Jun 06
Originally posted by telerionI never said that we are incapable of knowing things about a cell. What I have said is that we are incapable of knowing everything about a cell and about the mystery of what makes something living.
[b]They are the ones with the burden of proof since they claim to understand it.
I agree with you. Scientists are working on it. Now if only your apologists would adopt this work ethic.
My position is that it is beyond me.
Doesn't this sort of defeat everything else you have pronounced about life and the living cell?[/b]
08 Jun 06
Originally posted by whodeyThe existance of god is not a parsimonious argument. The most parsimonious argument is that god does not exist and there is nothing particularly special about life. It's definately the theists position to prove god before this argument can be proved. Any deductive argument requires the starting premises to be correct, your premises are not testable, therefore your argument is not strong.
Why could'nt we make a living cell? It is because only God gives life. I have nothing to prove here. It is science that says cells are creatable outside the realm of God. It is science that says they can produce the building blocks of a cell but just can't get them to live as of yet. It is sceince that says they think they understand how the first cells ...[text shortened]... s that it is beyond me. Who's the irrational one here. All I can say is times a wasten!!!!!
08 Jun 06
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Those that back up abiogeneisis answer me this. If it exists, where is abiogenesis today in the known universe? If you tell me it is because the known universe outside this planet is incapatible with life then where is it on earth? If it is no longer functioning on earth today then why is it on hiatus?
08 Jun 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzAnd abiogenesis is testable?
The existance of god is not a parsimonious argument. The most parsimonious argument is that god does not exist and there is nothing particularly special about life. It's definately the theists position to prove god before this argument can be proved. Any deductive argument requires the starting premises to be correct, your premises are not testable, therefore your argument is not strong.
08 Jun 06
Originally posted by whodeyIf you can find me a stable, sterile, evironment with an abundant energy input, and the correct chemical constituents for life, that's where you'll find abiogenesis. Strangely enough, based on chemical evidence (from rocks) and projected solar outputs etc, those are exactly the conditions you'd have encountered on early earth.
Those that back up abiogeneisis answer me this. If it exists, where is abiogenesis today in the known universe? If you tell me it is because the known universe outside this planet is incapatile with life then where is it on earth? If it is no longer functioning on earth today then why is it on hiatus?
09 Jun 06
Originally posted by ChurlantSince nothing has been proven, all we have is belief. On the one hand you have those that favor God and on the other those that favor scientific atheism. There is no proof in either camp. I am only expressing my belief.
What makes you so certain?
-JC
09 Jun 06
Originally posted by whodeyWhilst trying your best to hamstring scientific endeavour.
Since nothing has been proven, all we have is belief. On the one hand you have those that favor God and on the other those that favor scientific atheism. There is no proof in either camp. I am only expressing my belief.
09 Jun 06
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Originally posted by scottishinnzSo we either need a 100 years for sceince to be advanced enough or a 100 million dollars to fund science to prove abiogenesis? Which is it? I have one even better for ya, all I need is a 100 million dollars and I will go away.
Yes, just find me the conditions listed above, or give me $100 million to do it.
09 Jun 06
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Originally posted by frogstompIt also says in the Bible that man was made from inorganic matterial. If I recall we were all made from dust. God then "breathed" life into us. I defy any one to try.
The fact that the cell is made entirely from inorganic elements says it's possible to manufacture them.