21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyIt's not "passive-aggressive" at all. I am being really upfront and candid with you. I am engaging what you are saying, directly, unequivocally, and telling you what I think point blank. How is that "passive-aggressive"?
Ah, I was waiting for the passive aggressive to kick in.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @suzianneThen move to a state where they pay closer to the average of 60k.
But whatever your passions about teaching, one must still feed ones family, and being told to abandon ones dreams in order to do so is unfathomable, especially considering the sheer importance of the job. The problem comes down to the state government simply not prioritizing properly, preferring to instead spend money on those they can get campaign donation kickbacks from, instead of those we charge with teaching our kids.
Person X: I want to teach kids, I love kids and care about them so much. But here in my state, the pay isn't enough.
Simple problem solving.
A) Get your degree, teach kids in your local area, and figure out a way to make ends meet, even if it means working a 2nd job, or
B) Get your degree, relocate to a place where teachers are paid good money, and teach the kids there.
C) Do something else that makes you the money you want, because money is more important.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolsey"Lucrative salaries for all government employees"? What are you on about? We're talking about the teaching profession? Communism? Marxism? What on earth are you on about?
If you want guaranteed lucrative salaries for all government employees, then vote all the Conservatives out of office and replace our current system with Socialism/Communism/Statism/Marxism.
21 May 18
I have a passion for basket weaving.
I have gotten real good at it, but no one in my area wants any baskets.
Option A: Do something else to earn a living
Option B: Move to where people want baskets and make and sell them there
Option C: Stay here and sell occasional baskets, but pickup another job to make ends meet.
Or apparently, Option D: Get my bullhorn out and whine and complain and stomp my feet, and DEMAND that the government step in and make people by my baskets at a price that makes me the profits I desire.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyWhy do you oppose raising the pay?
Then move to a state where they pay closer to the average of 60k.
Person X: I want to teach kids, I love kids and care about them so much. But here in my state, the pay isn't enough.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyAnd no more quality education for our kids. We resign them to becoming third-class citizens on the world stage by not giving a damn about properly educating them simply to funnel more money to the already rich.
I think society would be a lot better off if the entire thing was done away with and parents were given a stipend for home schooling. No more mass school shootings, no more captive audience students brainwashed with liberal indoctrination.
And the world as a whole would become better off if we stopped conditioning them to become nationalists who will only isolate the US and piss off everyone else in the world in the process.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfI'm sorry, the discussion isn't moving along so I thought I would skip the part about how you want teachers to be paid a bunch more, but since they are government employees it means forcefully taking tax dollars out of everyone else's pay. And then of course, since this is government jobs you are talking about, obviously this wouldn't stop at just teachers. I would promise to slow myself down and take this in baby steps with you, but seriously, I've said what I have to say. After you hurled the insult, I see what YOU are "on about" so... I'll leave it with you.
"Lucrative salaries for all government employees"? What are you on about? We're talking about the teaching profession? Communism? Marxism? What on earth are you on about?
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyWho said anything about "lucrative salaries for all government employees" apart from you?
I'm sorry, the discussion isn't moving along so I thought I would skip the part about how you want teachers to be paid a bunch more, but since they are government employees it means forcefully taking tax dollars out of everyone else's pay. And then of course, since this is government jobs you are talking about, obviously this wouldn't stop at just teach ...[text shortened]... o say. After you hurled the insult, I see what YOU are "on about" so... I'll leave it with you.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @suzianneHow is homeschooling or a privatized education (which earns much higher marks) not quality education? And are you really prepared to say that on a global scale, America's education is 'quality'?
And no more quality education for our kids. We resign them to becoming third-class citizens on the world stage by not giving a damn about properly educating them simply to funnel more money to the already rich.
And the world as a whole would become better off if we stopped conditioning them to become nationalists who will only isolate the US and piss off everyone else in the world in the process.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfOh. So you don't want teachers to have lucrative salaries?
Who said anything about "lucrative salaries for all government employees" apart from you?
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyI don't see how making these baskets works as a legitimate analogy for teaching children. Is it an analogy that works in conservative circles?
I have a passion for basket weaving.
I have gotten real good at it, but no one in my area wants any baskets.
Option A: Do something else to earn a living
Option B: Move to where people want baskets and make and sell them there
Option C: Stay here and sell occasional baskets, but pickup another job to make ends meet.
Or apparently, Option D: ...[text shortened]... government step in and make people by my baskets at a price that makes me the profits I desire.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyPersonally, I feel that we need to stop running the government like a business (which implies a profit motive, and therefore winners and losers), and instead, run it like a government, in accordance with the values and aims laid out in the Preamble to the US Constitution.
Ah, I was waiting for the passive aggressive to kick in. It was just a matter of how many leading questions would get you there. So now *I* am selfish and anti-social.
Is that what you are in the business of doing? Ask a bunch of set up questions and then wrap it up with an insult to the other person's character? I'm just giving you cold hard fact ...[text shortened]... e them and instead just sit back and ask questions, pursue emotional arguments, and lob ad homs.
21 May 18
Originally posted by @fmfWhy do you oppose lucrative salaries for teachers?
Why do you oppose raising the pay?
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyWho said anything about "lucrative salaries for all government employees" apart from you? We've been talking about low pay for teachers. And what's with the talk of "Communism" and "Marxism" all of a sudden?
Oh. So you don't want teachers to have lucrative salaries?
21 May 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyYou don't appear to have understood anything I have posted.
Why do you oppose lucrative salaries for teachers?