Suzianne/Hillary

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
not a spirituality topic

It is. Read the 'hidden agenda'.

Originally posted by Suzianne
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I'm over 35, should I be her running mate? 🙂

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(I promise to release a swimsuit issue of White House Illustrated.)[/b]

Right now all the Dim front runners are 70 and older. In fact, you are probably too young for this geriatric bunch.

Originally posted by whodey
Right now all the Dim front runners are 70 and older. In fact, you are probably too young for this geriatric bunch.

And by "all" you mean Hillary. She's 67, though.

Originally posted by twhitehead
I think what stellspalfie is saying is that you have claimed:
1. America is declining, therefore the end times are nigh.
and now:
2. Hillary may win thus improving America, contradicting 1.

He is asking how you resolve the apparent contradiction.

There is no 'contradiction'.

I explained myself in my post, the one starting with "We have to do what we can". Yes, America is declining, but some of us aren't "going gentle into that good night". There's still some fight in some of us.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Does that mean you cannot comment as to whether her winning would improve the world? It was you being asked in the OP, not the world.

And whether or not the world gets a vote, the world can certainly speculate as to whether or not the world is better off with certain individuals as president of the US.

Well, as an American, I am vastly more concerned about my homeland than the rest of the world.

And yes, of course the world can speculate all they want. I'm just saying that the world shouldn't exactly expect her election to improve the world.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Then don't vote for any Democrat for President this time. That is not going to improve America. Believe me.

It's hard to get anything done with a Congress full of obstructionists.

I think the key thing to take away here is "don't vote for any more Republicans, even for dog catcher." We'd like to get things done, for a change, instead of having the Party of "No" blocking us at every turn. That *will* improve America.

Originally posted by Suzianne
There is no 'contradiction'.

I explained myself in my post, the one starting with "We have to do what we can". Yes, America is declining, but some of us aren't "going gentle into that good night". There's still some fight in some of us.

Not a very clear explanation.
So if America does improve after her successful election - as I believe you said it would, will that mean the End Times will be delayed?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Well, as an American, I am vastly more concerned about my homeland than the rest of the world.

Yes, a lot of people are very selfish - even some Christians. But you seemed to assume that it should be expected. I think you should know that not everyone that selfish minded.

And yes, of course the world can speculate all they want. I'm just saying that the world shouldn't exactly expect her election to improve the world.
I am sure the world can expect what they want regardless of whether or not they get to vote. The result of the election certainly does affect the world whether they like it or not. I don't think much of your 'none of their business' attitude - especially given Americas penchant for getting involved in everyone else's business.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Not a very clear explanation.
So if America does improve after her successful election - as I believe you said it would, will that mean the End Times will be delayed?

Not one whit.

It will happen on God's timeline, not America's.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Yes, a lot of people are very selfish - even some Christians. But you seemed to assume that it should be expected. I think you should know that not everyone that selfish minded.

[b]And yes, of course the world can speculate all they want. I'm just saying that the world shouldn't exactly expect her election to improve the world.
I am sure t ...[text shortened]... attitude - especially given Americas penchant for getting involved in everyone else's business.[/b]

Really? So you think the world should "get in our business" deciding the US President simply because America "gets involved in everyone else's business"?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Not one whit.

If America [and or the world] improving is not evidence that 'the end times' are
not near, then America [and or the world] getting worse is not evidence that
'the end times' are near.

If both America improving and getting worse are both just as likely in the run up
to your 'end times' then neither is indicative that they are near.

Originally posted by googlefudge
If America [and or the world] improving is not evidence that 'the end times' are
not near, then America [and or the world] getting worse is not evidence that
'the end times' are near.

If both America improving and getting worse are both just as likely in the run up
to your 'end times' then neither is indicative that they are near.

I must remind you that you are leaving God out of the equation.

That doesn't really qualify you to be speaking about "end times" scheduling.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I must remind you that you are leaving God out of the equation.

That doesn't really qualify you to be speaking about "end times" scheduling.

That is irrelevant. I am not talking about when 'the end times' will occur because
I don't believe that they will. [at least not as a holy apocalypse, we could always get
hit by a comet or have a super-volcano erupt and ruin everyone's day]
I am talking about people making predictions about when the end times will come.

People [including yourself] have claimed that things are getting worse and that
this is an indication that the end times are near. [you have claimed that they will
probably be within your lifetime]

If things can also be getting better and you/they make the same claims then it is
evident that whether things are getting better or worse has absolutely no
predictive power for determining when the end times will occur.


This is true irrespective of whether there will be end times, and when such times
might occur.

It's a basic and fundamental principle of evidence, that if the observation A [the
world is getting worse] means that EOTW [end of the world] is closer and more likely.
Then ~A [the world is getting better] must mean that EOTW is farther off and less likely.

If the end times can be close and you could observe either A or ~A then clearly it makes
no difference if A or ~A is observed and thus clearly neither is evidence for the closeness
of EOTW occurring.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Not one whit.

It will happen on God's timeline, not America's.

It seems to me that the contradiction remains, you just don't want to deal with it. Oh well.

Originally posted by Suzianne
There is no 'contradiction'.

I explained myself in my post, the one starting with "We have to do what we can". Yes, America is declining, but some of us aren't "going gentle into that good night". There's still some fight in some of us.

i hear what you are saying, of course as an individual you will do what you can to help those around you.

however, if you hold the opinion that 'things will get worse'. regardless of how many good things you do - the net effect will be negative. america will get worse.

the only argument i think that would make sense would be to say - things will get worse regardless of who wins the election, just less worse under hilary.

do we agree? (coz i have another hidden agenda to get to).