19 Feb 22
@kellyjay said"A duck" is not a supernatural being about which you and I can only speculate.
I could talk about a duck as someone once said, and I would be speaking the truth only as long as I was correctly talking about the duck, my speech about the duck doesn't make it any more real and true, than wrong opinions about it make false.
19 Feb 22
@fmf saidYes, and by saying you disagree, or disagree do you have reasons? Do those reasons have something to do with truth or feeling alone? For the sake of argument, if what you think is true, doesn't that mean my morals are based on a lie and therefore wrong? If all beliefs are subjective, then even my wrong beliefs are no better than those who have a correct handle upon reality and are judging things accordingly; the truth is meaningless if all views are the same. Only with absolutes can one be better because there is a fixed point to look to for direction.
I have not suggested that your moral compass is not "honest and authentic". No need to poison the well, KellyJay.
I even said that if, in your subjective opinion, your moral logic is superior to mine because you subscribe to a religion, then that is OK by me.
Just about all of the things you declare you do NOT do BECAUSE you believe in Jesus have been moral principles I agree with.
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19 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidOkay, but just so you know: I'm kind of soft-headed. 😉
FMF has a head on his shoulders; he can explain his stances. I disagree with him often, but I respect those who can make a case for what they think.
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19 Feb 22
@fmf saidPerhaps the two of you could recenter this discussion on Astro Cat and the Symphony of Space?
"A duck" is not a supernatural being about which you and I can only speculate.
19 Feb 22
@fmf saidNot everything we talk about are things within the natural world; principles are not things, love and hate are not things, knowledge isn't a thing. We can only speculate about plenty of things; that alone doesn't make them unreal.
"A duck" is not a supernatural being about which you and I can only speculate.
19 Feb 22
@kevin-eleven saidThere are worse things in life; maybe, we should discuss that. 🙂
Okay, but just so you know: I'm kind of soft-headed. 😉
19 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidMy moral "reasons" and decisions are guided by my moral compass which comprises ideas absorbed from my human environment ["nurture"] and the more mysterious, for want of a better word, influences of my unique character and consciousness.
Yes, and by saying you disagree, or disagree do you have reasons? Do those reasons have something to do with truth or feeling alone?
The reason I disagree with you over the source and nature of morality is that I have been a student of the human condition my whole life long, as you have too, and I have reached a different perspective on morality than you have.
19 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidIt depends on the outcome. I would never describe your faith-based principles as "lies". Please don't suggest that I have. There is no need to poison our well.
For the sake of argument, if what you think is true, doesn't that mean my morals are based on a lie and therefore wrong?
19 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidWho has said, "all views [on morality] are the same"? Sounds like a strawman to me.
the truth is meaningless if all views are the same. Only with absolutes can one be better because there is a fixed point to look to for direction.
It does not matter how many times you refer to your own opinions as "absolutes", it doesn't alter their subjective nature.
19 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidPrinciples are not things, love and hate are not things, knowledge isn't a thing. We can only speculate about plenty of things; that alone doesn't make them unreal.
Not everything we talk about are things within the natural world; principles are not things, love and hate are not things, knowledge isn't a thing. We can only speculate about plenty of things; that alone doesn't make them unreal.
This is almost something I could have typed to promote my idea that moral and supernatural "facts" are subjective.
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19 Feb 22
@fmf saidSo you have essentially alerted us to the fact that your are a morally groundless and potentially psychopathic monster who is proud of the mesh of concepts in his mind that makes him feel superior to others and has somehow also kept him out of prison and the grave so far.
My moral "reasons" and decisions are guided by my moral compass which comprises ideas absorbed from my human environment ["nurture"] and the more mysterious, for want of a better word, influences of my unique character and consciousness.
The reason I disagree with you over the source and nature of morality is that I have been a student of the human condition my whole life long, as you have too, and I have reached a different perspective on morality than you have.