The Christmas story

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its not according to robbie whoders my son, its according to scripture, Christians are to remain 'undefiled', from the world, as you are aware and what transpires when you mix Christianity with paganism is a dilution of Christianity, like pouring cold water into a hot bath, the bath merely becomes luke warm. Have you seen some of the hybrid religion ...[text shortened]... , where Christian motifs take on some of the most sinister of guises so as to be unrecognisable.

I'm just going to throw a thought in the fire. If we are basing all that is on the scripture. That is, that God created, Everyday. Then which day is exactly our difilement? As the role of years has gone on, and people lay claim to one day as being theirs. How can one race of people claim one and cause defilement to another? No, it is only in our minds that it becomes defiled. Scripture states, 'for some people they believe they can only drink milk, so let them drink milk. And for others they can eat every type of food. But those who do eat every type of food should not belittle those who believe they should only drink milk'. In short, God created. So what if we feast on the same day for different reasons.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you have a mind of your own, make of it what you will, the statement does not need clarification and none will be forthcoming

Don't you think it's a bit cowardly to say something controversial like that to someone and then hide behind some sort of JW 5th amendment?

Originally posted by divegeester
Don't you think it's a bit cowardly to say something controversial like that to someone and then hide behind some sort of JW 5th amendment?

the text has nothing to do Jehovahs witnesses, that is simply an indication of your bias.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Actually i should not have reacted in that way Pudgenik, but if it raised a smile, maybe it was worth it 😀

This is the one thing i love about this forum. So many different voices, different thoughts, ideas. Sometimes a bit frustrating. Nearly always, a good sense of humor.

If this season is the birth of Jesus that makes it Christmas for you, i say Merry Christmas. If it is the season of the changing of the moon (i'm unfamiliar with pagan traditions, sorry) Blessed Be. If you are in total denile of all that is or ever will be, My Peace I give You Anyways.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the text has nothing to do Jehovahs witnesses, that is simply an indication of your bias.

So is your position on homosexuality and your subsequent comment to tim88 having his own gay parade nothing to do with you being a Jehovah's Witness?

Originally posted by Pudgenik
I'm just going to throw a thought in the fire. If we are basing all that is on the scripture. That is, that God created, Everyday. Then which day is exactly our difilement? As the role of years has gone on, and people lay claim to one day as being theirs. How can one race of people claim one and cause defilement to another? No, it is only in our minds that ...[text shortened]... y drink milk'. In short, God created. So what if we feast on the same day for different reasons.

Its a fairly mundane affair to trace the present celebrations to ancient Norse Gods, for example, Thor is the God of the hearth and that is why Santa is thought to descend down the chimney, being aligned with the Norse God of the hearth, mistletoe etc can all be found in Norse mythology, the decorating of trees on the belief in the magical properties of evergreen trees etc etc. These things are not an invention of God, but a distortion, for they are rendering homage to the creation rather than the creator.

Now you can argue of course to what extent that these practices have this meaning today, but for the discerning Christian, its important that his worship be not defiled in any way. The scriptures are full of accounts of Gods wrath coming upon the Isrealities because of adulterating their worship.

Originally posted by divegeester
So is your position on homosexuality and your subsequent comment to tim88 having his own gay parade nothing to do with you being a Jehovah's Witness?

what are you talking about, the invention of your ludicrous Jehovah witness fifth amendment is what i was talking about, simply another instance of the prevalence of that huge chip you carry upon your shoulder.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Its a fairly mundane affair to trace the present celebrations to ancient Norse Gods, for example, Thor is the God of the hearth and that is why santa is thought to descend down the chimney, being aligned with the Norse God of the hearth, mistletoe etc can all be found in Norse mythology, decorating of trees to paganism and the belief in the magical p ...[text shortened]... ull of accounts of Gods wrath coming upon the Isrealities because of adulterating their worship.

You miss my point Rob. You believe God created everyday , right? So who is really doing the defiling. If the pagans claim a day or season for their own, are they taking what is theirs? By what right, or who's authority? And if the church claims any day of the week, they would have the authority based on scripture to do so.

Rob, your church really needs to work on understanding and studing the scripture more fully. Don't worry your church is not alone in these errors.

Let me explain. The Laws of Moses are clear that God would abide by the same laws He expects mankind to follow. And in the new testiment, Jesus reaffirms this position, telling Peter. What you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and what you loose on earth will be loose in heaven.

So when the chuch claimed Christmas, Easter or any other day that falls on a (so called) pagan day, they had the authority to do just that.

Originally posted by Pudgenik
You miss my point Rob. You believe God created everyday , right? So who is really doing the defiling. If the pagans claim a day or season for their own, are they taking what is theirs? By what right, or who's authority? And if the church claims any day of the week, they would have the authority based on scripture to do so.

Rob, your church really needs ...[text shortened]... or any other day that falls on a (so called) pagan day, they had the authority to do just that.

ummm no i don't believe God created everyday, infact, i am not even sure what it means.

Pagans are rendering worship to the creation rather than the creator a practice condemned in scripture and I know more about scripture than most people.

How can God be expected to follow the Mosiac Law, it was given as Paul states, 'to make sins manifest' and as 'a tutor leading towards the Christ', now God is incapable of sinning, has no need of circumcision, nor of handmade temples nor of animal sacrifices. Either you have a very poor understanding of the Law or have used a very poor illustration, i suspect both.

If you meant to say that God abides by his own standards of righteousness then fine, but using the Law as an illustration of that is very poor teaching.

The statement 'what you bind on earth will be bound in heaven ', has as frar as I know never been and inducement to claim any day for God, its certainly never been used as a justification for adopting pagan practices and I find it rather colourful that it should be thought of as such.

the church has no authority to do anything that contradicts the scared text and that acts as an inducement to the adoption of paganism and its practices, but hey, it hasn't stopped them.

Christians are counselled to keep themselves 'without spot from the world', undefiled and clean from both a spiritual and physical perspective.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what are you talking about, the invention of your ludicrous Jehovah witness fifth amendment is what i was talking about, simply another instance of the prevalence of that huge chip you carry upon your shoulder.

It's just a play on you refusing to explain why you think timm88 should have his own gay parade, do you think he is homosexual robbie?

Originally posted by divegeester
It's just a play on you refusing to explain why you think timm88 should have his own gay parade, do you think he is homosexual robbie?

I think the only way for Robbie to fully embrace both Christmas and gay people is for us to successfully prove that Karl Marx was gay, and they turn Christmas into Marxmass.

Just say'in.

Originally posted by divegeester
It's just a play on you refusing to explain why you think timm88 should have his own gay parade, do you think he is homosexual robbie?

what i think is irrelevant, my text is open to interpretation and i provide no definitive explanation which limits their appeal to the imagination.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what i think is irrelevant, my text is open to interpretation and i provide no definitive explanation which limits their appeal to the imagination.

But what you think is relevant when it pertains to a post you have made in this public forum. Once again you bring a certain controversy upon yourself by refusing to answer.

What is it robbie, do you suspect that timm88 is homosexual but lack the courage of your convictions to come right out and say it? Or are you just throwing that insinuation at him as a sort of JW to "pagan masquerading as Christian" insult?

Originally posted by divegeester
But what you think is relevant when it pertains to a post you have made in this public forum. Once again you bring a certain controversy upon yourself by refusing to answer.

What is it robbie, do you suspect that timm88 is homosexual but lack the courage of your convictions to come right out and say it? Or are you just throwing that insinuation at him as a sort of JW to "pagan masquerading as Christian" insult?

Dude I am an artist, I don't explain my work.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Dude I am an artist, I don't explain my work.

I think you are being rather cowardly and I'm sure timm88 if were here, would think so too. All your silly "I'm an artist" guff is mearly you preferring to appear petulant and childish rather than spiteful and judgmental.