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Originally posted by RJHindsno, things looking a certain way is not evidence. the earth looked flat, it wasnt evidence for a flat earth. the earth looked like the centre of the galaxy, it wasnt evidence. looking is subject. for it to be science it needs to be falsifiable.....................im sure this has been pointed out to you many times.
Actually there is a lot of evidence for design and it has kept building up over the years. Richard Dawkins long ago admitted that biology is the study of living things that appear to be designed. He just did not want to admit the designer was the God of the Holy Bible. When things look designed then that is evidence for design.
you may step forward and provide the amazing scientific evidence proving intelligent design that we are waiting for........the stage is also yours rj.
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraHe was being somewhat tongue in cheek when talking about what is falsifiable and what isn't. I had to listen to it twice to get the full brunt of his meaning...having said that, I believe he communicated his point quite effectively in just under two minutes.
Impressive, it takes only two minutes for this "PhD" to demonstrate his ignorance about falsification and evolution!
Fiddling around with bacteria isn't going to falsify ID because the designer has no known properties that we can test.
The theory of evolution doesn't claim that bacteria with certain properties will evolve, nor even that bacteria will evolve.
One salient point I took away from this was that you can never falsify evolution because of how science has treated the theory since its inception. All it takes to overcome a problem (any problem) with evidence pointing in the wrong direction* is to invent other new (unsubstantiated) theories for overcoming the problem... punctuated equilibrium comes to mind as one example of how this works. PE theory works to explain a sudden emergence of new species and body types without the need for evidence to show how this process can happen.
So how can evolution be falsifiable when a new theoretical patch can always be dreamed up and accepted to explain away discrepancies and conflicting evidence?
* wrong direction: a wrong direction is anything that not only does not support, but will actually contradict and conflict with basic tenets of evolution.
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by stellspalfieActually the truth can't be falsified. That is why it is called the truth.
no, things looking a certain way is not evidence. the earth looked flat, it wasnt evidence for a flat earth. the earth looked like the centre of the galaxy, it wasnt evidence. looking is subject. for it to be science it needs to be falsifiable.....................im sure this has been pointed out to you many times.
you may step forward and provide th ...[text shortened]... c evidence proving intelligent design that we are waiting for........the stage is also yours rj.
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Originally posted by RJHinds..............is that it? is that? is that the best you have?.....a little bit of word play?.....oh dear
Actually the truth can't be falsified. That is why it is called the truth.
its such a shame, you have gone from a confident striding comment like
"Actually there is a lot of evidence for design and it has kept building up over the years. "
to a sniffling, pathetic little yapping of
" Actually the truth can't be falsified. That is why it is called the truth"
what a let down rj......the world was waiting with bated breath.
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by stellspalfiePlease, if that does not shed light on the topic nothing will. Nothing is that
you can LOL all day kelly, it doesnt alter the fact that its true.
nows your chance to become rich and famous kelly. are you about to become the first man ever to provide scientific evidence for a creator...something even the top christian scientists have not been able to do. the spot lights on you, the stage is all yours....
ladies and gentlemen ...[text shortened]... rovide for us some game changing...nay....world changing scientific evidence!!!!
over to you.
full proof except to those that want to be blind. You want to deny anything
and everything that could possibly show there is design in the universe! No
matter what is shown to you, you will deny it!
I don't agree with ID, I think it is faith pure and simple, but that does not
at all suggest that evidence isn't there. You don't have to agree with the
findings, but that does not mean it isn't there! I find those that deny the
design have the same issues, it is all the same evidence for both sides!
Some paint the universe this way, others that. It isn't that the evidence
isn't there, it is only that you choose to just see what you want and deny
any possible chance you could be wrong, because you WANT it to mean
what you want it to mean!
You can live in your own little world with your blinders on, your welcome
to it.
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by stellspalfieSo what you should glean from the flat earth is that at one point those in
no, things looking a certain way is not evidence. the earth looked flat, it wasnt evidence for a flat earth. the earth looked like the centre of the galaxy, it wasnt evidence. looking is subject. for it to be science it needs to be falsifiable.....................im sure this has been pointed out to you many times.
you may step forward and provide th ...[text shortened]... c evidence proving intelligent design that we are waiting for........the stage is also yours rj.
the 'know' were wrong. You just seem to think you cannot be wrong!
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Originally posted by KellyJayyou can look at a rock, a plant, the moon and see that as evidence for a god.....but this is just pure self opinion. no fact, just a feeling you have when you look around you....thats fine, i have no problem with that. i think its wrong, but if a person wants to think that, then so be it.....
Please, if that does not shed light on the topic nothing will. Nothing is that
full proof except to those that want to be blind. You want to deny anything
and everything that could possibly show there is design in the universe! No
matter what is shown to you, you will deny it!
I don't agree with ID, I think it is faith pure and simple, but that does n ...[text shortened]... it to mean!
You can live in your own little world with your blinders on, your welcome
to it.
but we are talking about something very different. we are talking about scientific evidence. there is zero scientific evidence for the intelligent design. a few post ago you said this -
"LOL, really zero scientific evidence, no bias here!"
now either you are aware of some scientific evidence or you are not.....which is it? (looking around and having a hunch, is not evidence)
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by lemon lime'Cause it can't. If, for example, we would find no evidence that DNA can reproduce, that would be bad for the theory of evolution, and it would suggest that something else might be at play. No "theoretical patch" is available since reproduction is an essential aspect of evolution.
So how can evolution be falsifiable when a new theoretical patch can always be dreamed up and accepted to explain away discrepancies and conflicting evidence?
28 Dec 14
Originally posted by stellspalfieThe evidence has already been present in other threads of mind. I am tired of repeating my references at this point. I know that you are not really interested in any proof anyway.
..............is that it? is that? is that the best you have?.....a little bit of word play?.....oh dear
its such a shame, you have gone from a confident striding comment like
[b]"Actually there is a lot of evidence for design and it has kept building up over the years. "
to a sniffling, pathetic little yapping of
" Actually the tru ...[text shortened]... it is called the truth"
what a let down rj......the world was waiting with bated breath.[/b]
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Originally posted by KazetNagorraReproduction is also essential to the creation theory too. Read Genesis 1.
'Cause it can't. If, for example, we would find no evidence that DNA can reproduce, that would be bad for the theory of evolution, and it would suggest that something else might be at play. No "theoretical patch" is available since reproduction is an essential aspect of evolution.
DNA does not reproduce in a vacuum. It requires many other things to be in place at the same time, including its programming by the Creator. Of course, the Creator is responsible for all the other things too.
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Originally posted by stellspalfieAll the things that work together to support life from the placement of
you can look at a rock, a plant, the moon and see that as evidence for a god.....but this is just pure self opinion. no fact, just a feeling you have when you look around you....thats fine, i have no problem with that. i think its wrong, but if a person wants to think that, then so be it.....
but we are talking about something very different. we are ...[text shortened]... ic evidence or you are not.....which is it? (looking around and having a hunch, is not evidence)
stars and planets down to the sub-atomic levels is evidence, you reject
that! I've no issue with you doing that, but to deny that shows us something
in my opinion just smacks as you will reject everything and anything that
can point to that as possibly being true.
The evidence in the universe or for that matter the universe itself is the
same evidence for all, it is the same evidence for both sides of this
discussion.
I said it is all faith which is what I believe you are proving by being in total
denial that you could be wrong about this, even if the whole universe was
screaming creation in your face, you'd fail to see it. It would screw up your
world view and everything in it, which is much to important to you.