The Garden of Eden

Originally posted by galveston75
It's sad that we have to reason like this with them on such a juvenile level but then even this doesn't seem to help them think and come to sensible conclusions.
But they choose to remain in their ignorance of even the simplest of truths in the Bible. Satan has a powerful affect on ones who allow it to happen.

Be patient with them, galveston75. They lack your commitment and your jackass mentality.

Originally posted by divegeester
Well done and thank you for supporting my point that what is written cannot and shouldn't always be taken a face value.

Well, it obviously can't be taken at your face value.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
Be patient with them, galveston75. They lack your commitment and your jackass mentality.

well if anyone knows about donkeys Randolf, you da man.

Originally posted by galveston75
Again, you are either not reading our post or you are ignoring them or you are just simply here to argue. Which is it?
Perhaps if you could progress from the infant "milk" knowledge of the bible to a more mature "meat" understanding, you might just figure it all out.
But you haven't and you have lots of gaps of just not knowing so many things.
It c ...[text shortened]... just as it has for many but you must have humility towards God to have a chance of it happening.

When you say "progressing into meat", do you mean making scripture up from my own self certified opinion?

How can the tree of life have been destroyed in the flood when it is in the Book of Revelation for the "healing of the nations"?

Originally posted by galveston75
It's sad that we have to reason like this with them on such a juvenile level but then even this doesn't seem to help them think and come to sensible conclusions.
But they choose to remain in their ignorance of even the simplest of truths in the Bible. Satan has a powerful affect on ones who allow it to happen.

How can the tree of life have been destroyed in the garden of Eden, when it is depicted in the Book of revelation for the "healing of the nations"?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
well if anyone knows about donkeys Randolf, you da man.

You know it, bro. You're right up there next to Galvie, hitched to the old manure wagon.

Originally posted by HandyAndy
You know it, bro. You're right up there next to Galvie, hitched to the old manure wagon.

Give us an heehaw Randolf!

Originally posted by divegeester
How can the tree of life have been destroyed in the garden of Eden, when it is depicted in the Book of revelation for the "healing of the nations"?

Umm revelation vision in head you slaphead not literal like tree like in garden of eden. Slapety slap goes your forehead. Tell us why garden of eden literal and trees in it not? Were Adam and Eve literal? What about the seed bearing friut from the trees that was to serve as food, was that also not literal? How did they survive on non literal fruit?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Umm revelation vision in head you slaphead not literal like tree like in garden of eden. Slapety slap goes your forehead. Tell us why garden of eden literal and trees in it not? Were Adam and Eve literal? What about the seed bearing friut from the trees that was to serve as food, was that also not literal? How did they survive on non literal fruit?

It is interesting that earlier in this thread you were insisting that you were "not interested in other people's disputes", and yet since my proving that Galveston was proclaiming his "SELF CERTIFIED OPINION", you are determined to answer for him in your usual clan forum posting style.

Originally posted by divegeester
How can the tree of life have been destroyed in the garden of Eden, when it is depicted in the Book of revelation for the "healing of the nations"?

Wow....You are having a hard time with this aren't you?

Originally posted by galveston75
It's sad that we have to reason like this with them on such a juvenile level but then even this doesn't seem to help them think and come to sensible conclusions.
But they choose to remain in their ignorance of even the simplest of truths in the Bible. Satan has a powerful affect on ones who allow it to happen.

It's also sad to witness such an abysmal lack of imagination... atheists have been hammering away on this one point for years, as though it's an ace in the hole for winning debates. What is stopping them from applying the same reasoning technique they employ here with "in the day" to other parts of the Eden story?

Take the serpent for example, the story doesn't say the serpent is a snake. All snakes are serpents but not all serpents are snakes. The story also doesn't specify the serpents home of origin. So for all we know it could be a reptilian alien species from outer space, and capable of telepathic communication... this would explain how the serpent was able to communicate with Eve.

Science has proven aliens exist because it would be arrogant to believe they don't exist... don't ask me to explain that because I don't get it either, but if a scientist said it then it must be true.

Originally posted by divegeester
It is interesting that earlier in this thread you were insisting that you were "not interested in other people's disputes", and yet since my proving that Galveston was proclaiming his "SELF CERTIFIED OPINION", you are determined to answer for him in your usual clan forum posting style.

Just slap your forehead and answer the questions.

Originally posted by lemon lime
It's also sad to witness such an abysmal lack of imagination... atheists have been hammering away on this one point for years, as though it's an ace in the hole for winning debates. What is stopping them from applying the same reasoning technique they employ here with "in the day" to other parts of the Eden story?

Take the serpent for example, the stor ...[text shortened]... to explain that because I don't get it either, but if a scientist said it then it must be true.

I'm not aware of any strong claim that aliens must exist. There are estimates of the number of civilizations per galaxy at any one time, but they are all based on handwavium. We know of one civilization in this galaxy and there are such a huge number of galaxies that it is simply implausible to believe that we are the only intelligent entities in the entire universe. This does not constitute proof that aliens exist, but it is compelling.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Repeating a challenge after it's been answered is what it is, but aren't there other contradictions in this story you wish to explore? I might be persuaded to stay on this merry-go-round ride if something in the scenery changes.

So how about this... it says after they ate of the fruit their eyes were opened. Does this mean their eyes were liter ...[text shortened]... ring the night. Maybe the warning means don't do that in the light of day, wait until nightfall.

...it says after they ate of the fruit their eyes were opened.

Well hitting puberty is like that.

Originally posted by lemon lime
Take the serpent for example, the story doesn't say the serpent is a snake. All snakes are serpents but not all serpents are snakes. The story also doesn't specify the serpents home of origin. So for all we know it could be a reptilian alien species from outer space, and capable of telepathic communication... this would explain how the serpent was able to communicate with Eve.

That the serpent is allegorical is the most plausible explanation and the story-is-an-allegory explanation does not damage the theological or spiritual message at all. The story-is-literally-true explanation comes across as an almost hysterical demonstration of 'sincerity' ~ in some respects perhaps a manifestation of holier-than-thou vanity.