Originally posted by KellyJayPrecisely. He's done His job. The rest is up to us.
How would I know if God has a reason to do anything? With respect to sin
in the world, sorry but that does not stop God from speaking. Sin has been
dealt with by Christ. Since sin was dealt with by Jesus Christ, that would not
stop God from speaking.
If you have a reason, I'm still listening.
Kelly
Why do you think there are no more prophets?
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHThey may not be important aspects of YOUR faith.
Isn't that cute?
You consider yourself wise enough to deduce the salient points--- the tipping points, if you will--- as they relate to the issue of faith, and you zero in on... speculation about the age of the planet?
While your 'reasoned' approach is commendable, you're not even in the field of play yet. The age of the earth is inconsequential, si ...[text shortened]... in your own work, or you will exchange your goodness for the goodness He offers, free of charge.
But they are frequently claimed as important aspects of OTHER peoples faith.
Can we not make arguments that deal with the beliefs of one person/group
without others complaining that those arguments don't apply to them?
If you're not a young Earth creationist then arguments about a young Earth
probably don't apply to you. That doesn't mean they don't apply to anyone.
Originally posted by googlefudgeWho ever is making a scientific belief (speculative perspective of the earth's age) a tenet of faith has put their underwear on over their pants. There is not a creed around (of which I am aware) which declares as an admission of faith a specific age to the earth.
They may not be important aspects of YOUR faith.
But they are frequently claimed as important aspects of OTHER peoples faith.
Can we not make arguments that deal with the beliefs of one person/group
without others complaining that those arguments don't apply to them?
If you're not a young Earth creationist then arguments about a young Earth
probably don't apply to you. That doesn't mean they don't apply to anyone.
None.
So if someone is making an issue on the topic, feel free to discuss their science, but be certain not to mix the carrots with the peas.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHI have said for years that science and religion are two sides of the same coin, called truth.
Who ever is making a scientific belief (speculative perspective of the earth's age) a tenet of faith has put their underwear on over their pants. There is not a creed around (of which I am aware) which declares as an admission of faith a specific age to the earth.
None.
So if someone is making an issue on the topic, feel free to discuss their science, but be certain not to mix the carrots with the peas.
Science meshes well with my beliefs. Too bad others can't see the wisdom in this, and must cling to their antiquated ideas that one must either believe in science or their faith, and that truth must be one OR the other. Truth is both, together. One does not weaken the other.
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Originally posted by SuzianneNo, you can't argue because you CAN'T prove that there have been prophets.
I cannot argue anything to a man with closed ears and closed mind.
No argument is good enough for you, because you've already made up your mind and you won't have anything shake your antifaith.
Claiming I have a closed mind is just a pathetic cop out.
And untrue.
I believe what is indicated by the evidence.
There is no evidence that a god exists, and no evidence that there have been prophets
of an existent god.
You could change my mind simply by proving that a god exists and that that god has
sent prophets.
You cannot do that because you have no evidence.
And thus you try to shift the fault and the blame to me by pathetically and wrongly
claiming I can't see because I have a closed mind.
No, I can't see evidence for god because there isn't any.
You are free to try to prove other wise any time you like.
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Originally posted by SuzianneYes and you have been wrong for all those years.
I have said for years that science and religion are two sides of the same coin, called truth.
Science meshes well with my beliefs. Too bad others can't see the wisdom in this, and must cling to their antiquated ideas that one must either believe in science or their faith, and that truth must be one OR the other. Truth is both, together. One does not weaken the other.
Science and faith are utterly incompatible.
"Only fools despise this kind of intelligence, Prov 23:9.
Prov 23:9, “Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the wisdom of your words.”
"Yet, the “man”, ISH, possessing this type of insight from Bible Doctrine in His soul “will be praised”, which is HALAL in the passive Pual and future Imperfect that means, “to flash forth light, to shine, to boast or praise.” In the Pual Imperfect it means, “will be praised or commended.” This is an interesting word because it is used in scripture negatively for boastfulness, arrogance, etc. It is also the root word for Lucifer, “star of the morning” HEYLEL in Isa 14:12, whose arrogance regarding his God given beauty, intelligence and power lead him to rebellion against God. Yet, used positively, as it is here, it means to praise someone. So interestingly, what the wicked desire most because of their arrogance, (praise from others), the righteous will actually receive without desiring or seeking for it, as a result of their humility.
As Prov 27:2, says, “Let another praise you, and not your own mouth; a stranger, and not your own lips.” Cf. Prov 31:30-31 for the praise of the righteous woman. Therefore, it tells us of the blessing the righteous believer will receive from having wisdom and insight that comes from the right application of Bible Doctrine in your soul; they will win praise from others.
The Contrast! – The discipline, “But one of perverse mind will be despised.” “One of perverse mind” is AWAH for “to do wrong, or transgress” and LEB for “heart.” Here we see that this person’s heart, (right lobe of their soul), is wrong, sinful or perverted, meaning they do not have wisdom and insight from Bible Doctrine stored in the heart of their soul, and therefore have sin and evil resident in their soul with built up scare tissue on their soul. This person is led not by the Word of God and the filling of the Holy Spirit, but by their sin nature, feelings and emotions." -Rickard
Originally posted by googlefudgeProve that God doesn't exist and that there have been no prophets.
No, you can't argue because you CAN'T prove that there have been prophets.
Claiming I have a closed mind is just a pathetic cop out.
And untrue.
I believe what is indicated by the evidence.
There is no evidence that a god exists, and no evidence that there have been prophets
of an existent god.
You could change my mind simply by provin ...[text shortened]... for god because there isn't any.
You are free to try to prove other wise any time you like.
It's a stalemate.
Yes, you have a closed mind because you refuse to believe anything that doesn't show itself to you. And yeah, that *is* a cop out.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAnd I like carrots and peas together.
Who ever is making a scientific belief (speculative perspective of the earth's age) a tenet of faith has put their underwear on over their pants. There is not a creed around (of which I am aware) which declares as an admission of faith a specific age to the earth.
None.
So if someone is making an issue on the topic, feel free to discuss their science, but be certain not to mix the carrots with the peas.
Originally posted by Suzianne"You know better than this. You only say this because you want to see the end of all faith. " -Suzianne
You know better than this. You only say this because you want to see the end of all faith.
And I didn't say faith. I said religion.
Interestingly, this will eventually occur around the globe one nano second after the Rapture. Believers in Christ won't be around to play online correspondence chess and contribute to this spirituality forum; initially, unbelievers only will populate Red Hot Pawn. Wonder what the topic title will be of the first thread: "Where is everybody?" or "WTFudge is goin on?" For the next seven years of the Tribulation some unbelievers will finally wake up, change their minds about the Risen Christ and the Grace Gift of Eternal Life He made possible by His Substitutionary Spiritual Death which eliminated sin as an issue. What do you think of Christ is the only issue now and will be the only issue during the terrible persecutions, worldwide chaos and slaughter of those seven years. Even food will be difficult to obtain for those who refuse to worship the Anti-Christ.