The Hoax of the Missing Link

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
i think people derive values from material things all the time, how many rooms your house has, what kind of car you drive, how much money you earn, dont you think? In fact we attribute all sorts of crazy values to people who have amassed fortunes, like they are therefore capable of running a country, or they know what is tasteful and what is not.

i think people derive values from material things all the time, how many rooms your house has, what kind of car you drive, how much money you earn, dont you think?
Sure they do, but that doesn't suggest to me that materialist belief leads to consumerism.

Originally posted by avalanchethecat
[b]i think people derive values from material things all the time, how many rooms your house has, what kind of car you drive, how much money you earn, dont you think?
Sure they do, but that doesn't suggest to me that materialist belief leads to consumerism.[/b]

mmm, a very fine line me thinks, if there is no reality other than that which is material are you not more inclined to denigrate spiritual values for that which is material and lead your life so as to procure as much 'material things ', as possible? or at very least to put emphasis on that which can be seen, touched, tasted and appeals to the senses. How many advertisements do we see for people to simplify their life, to work part time so as to be able to help others in some capacity through voluntary work? What we in fact see are inducements to buy things we dont really need, if we are perfectly honest and what i think has transpired is that the vacuum left by insipid religious teaching has left the door open for a persons life to be filled with that which is purely material, for the reasoning person cannot help to think that what is being proffered from the pulpit is a nonsense or at very least hypocritical and thus reasoning that all religion must be a fallacy have filled their lives with the pursuit of that which is material. A persons life must be filled with something, is it not the case?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes that's exactly what i am saying. My computer i built myself from the constituent parts, it was a necessity at the time. I rode from leaving school a bicycle for ten years, at present i have two. Three times i have been knocked over by motorists opening their car doors on me. I only drive a truck out of necessity. I did not obtain a driving l ...[text shortened]... s, not the actual owning or not owning of things themselves.

yes i have a kettle, its white.

Well if that is all true, I have to give you that round🙂

I had to build my own computer also. I tried to make my dream project, a digital music studio in a briefcase and bought a single board computer I had crammed into an LCD monitor which I had pried apart about an inch so I could mount the HD, comp and such inside. Didn't fly as the single board computer was DOA. Ended up making one using a Dell PC. Later used a laptop for music recording, almost have a studio in a briefcase.

My materialism is goal oriented. I could care less if my car is the latest and greatest, does it run is the main idea. Get from point A to point B.

I am into amateur radio, with the cheapest outfit I can make work, the whole idea is to talk to people in other countries to get a feel for their culture.

Into astronomy, but only use binoculars.

The main extent of my materialism is lusting over big plots of land. My huge 1/3 acre doesn't allow much room for wire antenna's🙂

Originally posted by sonhouse
Well if that is all true, I have to give you that round🙂

I had to build my own computer also. I tried to make my dream project, a digital music studio in a briefcase and bought a single board computer I had crammed into an LCD monitor which I had pried apart about an inch so I could mount the HD, comp and such inside. Didn't fly as the single board comp ...[text shortened]... lusting over big plots of land. My huge 1/3 acre doesn't allow much room for wire antenna's🙂

Actually the pc that i have was a friend who brought it back from America, but he forgot that we are at 240 AC not 110 and he fried it, so i just got a motherboard and chip, heat sink, you know, the usual stuff, drives, graphics cards, sound card etc and its was real easy to put them all together in his old case.

Studio briefcase sounds amazing, infact, cant you get these things nowadays? although to build your own is something else. I have EMU1616M audio card, which has class 1 preamp and a virtual desk, for laptop via PCMIA card, my laptop at the time (now deceased) were not really powerful enough, it kept staggering when i played the audio wave or when i was editing it. I have a Rhode mike though, which is quite good if you roll some of the the base off of it 🙂

you dont sound materialistic at all to me to be honest.

There is an old guy near me, he has an electronics factory, but hes into ham radio and he told me that during the war (IIWW) he used to get readings? (something to do with cards or something, cant quite remember) from the bomber pilots although it was frowned upon at the time. Hes into to it big time. You could do a lot worse things with your time 🙂

Originally posted by twhitehead
And no mention that we are mammals or animals either, yet both are still true.
I am still waiting for you to apologize for calling me dishonest when it is clear that it was you that was in error.

I don't see anything clear about it. Even if, your source is correct and we
are classified by evolutionists as being in the "Great Ape Family" that does
not make man an ape. Even Dawkins sdmitted man did not evolve from
apes. He says both man an apes evolved from some other imaginary
creature. So you should be apologizing to me!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The Christ my son, all gems and treasures are carefully concealed in the Christ.

You speak of Christ in an admirable way; but when it comes right down to
the truth, you will not give Jesus the full honor He deserves to glorify the
Father. You sir, are not a Christian, but a hypocrite.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You speak of Christ in an admirable way; but when it comes right down to
the truth, you will not give Jesus the full honor He deserves to glorify the
Father. You sir, are not a Christian, but a hypocrite.

thankyou for that RJH, it was truly spiritually uplifting and beneficial for me to be smote by you the righteous one, in fact, it was like honey to my lips. In what way do i not give Christ the glory that you speak of?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
thankyou for that RJH, it was truly spiritually uplifting and beneficial for me to be smote by you the righteous one, in fact, it was like honey to my lips. In what way do i not give Christ the glory that you speak of?

You and other Jehovah's Witnesses will not bow and worship Jesus as He
deserves. You honor the name "Jehovah" more than the name "Jesus".
You say Jesus is not God equal to the Father God. You will not confess
that Jesus is Lord of all and is all powerful to the glory of the Father.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Actually the pc that i have was a friend who brought it back from America, but he forgot that we are at 240 AC not 110 and he fried it, so i just got a motherboard and chip, heat sink, you know, the usual stuff, drives, graphics cards, sound card etc and its was real easy to put them all together in his old case.

Studio briefcase sounds amazing, i ...[text shortened]... d upon at the time. Hes into to it big time. You could do a lot worse things with your time 🙂

Hi and thanks for that. I was able to port the studio to a laptop, I have a Rode mic also, has a lot of treble, if I use a tube mic preamp it has high peaking at upper end, silibance (Sp?)

So now with the laptop, I use a firewire 410 I/O, has 2 mic preamps, did most of my first CD on it. So that system is the 410, mike stands, cables, laptop, decent software like Cakewalk Sonar, couple of good mikes, earphones and that's it. The laptop can produce a CD directly. Now of course there are plenty of digital recorder workstations made by companies like Roland and such, does it all, except you have to have a power source. The laptop can run the whole thing for a few hours so you can go into the woods and record if you want. Not sure if I showed you my myspace site or not, I have some original compositions there, acoustic instrumentals.

The bomber thing was probably listening to the directions given to the pilots or something, they didn't have crypto communications way back then so a simple receiver would pick that stuff up. Ham radio is fun, we invented cell phone technology.

Well the basic technology was invented by an american genius lady movie star trying to help out in WW2, Hedy Lamar. Finally recognized as the inventor of frequency hopping, which cell phones now use to find a bit of unused bandwidth.
She was honored at an engineering conference when she was something like 85 years old, saying 'It's about time!'.

Hams invented the cell tower concept, put a receiver and retransmitter on a tower and a handheld device can make calls anywhere on the planet. We call them repeaters and have hookups that can let a ham talk from a handheld to just about anywhere in the world, though it is mainly used to talk handheld to handheld with a 50 or so mile range compared to just a few miles direct.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
its true dear Noobster, the manifestation of materialism is something of a cultural phenomena. The New cathedrals are the shopping malls and DIY stores. Close to where i live is a BnQ superstore, I pass it every Sunday, its filled with people and cars, Sunday afternoon is like one of their busiest times i reckon. Why? there is no reality other tha ...[text shortened]... and who is to blame? the protagonists of materialism! Its naive to think that its not.

Let's nip this nonsensical bud from the start. Look at the USA, arguably the grandaddy of the consumerist society and also, in parts, extremely religious. It has nothing to do with the philosophy of materialism. As i've suspected all along you seem to morph between the philosophy of materialism and consumer materialism at will.

Sunday afternoon is like one of their busiest times i reckon. Why?

Because people generally work Mon-Fri 9-5?! Duh!!!! When else are they going to go? Go to any National Trust property and guess what? Sunday afternoon is their busiest time?! Why?!

I go to the gym, if i watch the screens of the machines i get bombarded with advertising,

Get off the machines, are you a hamster? Lift some weights man.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Let's nip this nonsensical bud from the start. Look at the USA, arguably the grandaddy of the consumerist society and also, in parts, extremely religious. It has nothing to do with the philosophy of materialism. As i've suspected all along you seem to morph between the philosophy of materialism and consumer materialism at will.

[b]Sunday afternoon is ...[text shortened]... arded with advertising,

Get off the machines, are you a hamster? Lift some weights man.[/b]

my dear friend, let us clarify a few matters, materialism is a state of mind, the value or emphasis that one puts on material things. It therefore becomes not proper to use nominal Christians as a litmus test, nor even the wealthy or the less wealthy. Secondly my observations were of a scenario based in the UK, which can hardly be described as a 'God fearing', nation. BnQ is open till nine oclock at night, four hours after 'normal', working hours, there is therefore no valid reason, based on the constraints of the working day as to why Sunday should be so busy, for there is ample opportunity to shop there at other periods.

When i was younger, and you too, did we not have such a thing as Sunday lunch/dinner, where all the family would sit together, our moms baking some large roast or other, with roast tatties, Yorkshire puddings and gravy etc. It was deemed a rather special time if my memory serves me correct, not a mundane time given to buying cabinet doors and bathroom suits. It was a time for family and friends, relaxation and contemplation. This I suspect is all now gone because of the insidious nature of materialism, symptomatic itself of a truly dysfunctional society, where individualism is emphasised and meism is a cult!

LOL, yes I am a hamster, i want to lose weight, not build muscle, cardiovascular i like, i can walk uphill for miles, and sail across the sea on my cross-trainer. Ive got bigger muscles than all those muscle kissing young posers at the gym, but i also have a bigger tummy too 🙁

Originally posted by RJHinds
I don't see anything clear about it. Even if, your source is correct and we
are classified by evolutionists as being in the "Great Ape Family" that does
not make man an ape.

Actually it does.

Even Dawkins sdmitted man did not evolve from apes.
Please quote him on that. If he said that then he was wrong, but I think it far more likely that you misunderstood him.

He says both man an apes evolved from some other imaginary
creature.
That is an outright lie. Dawkins would never have said that - and you know it. The 'imaginary creature' part is your own words not those of Dawkins.

So you should be apologizing to me!
Why? In what way have I offended you?

You called me dishonest. You know know that I was being honest. I expect an apology.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You and other Jehovah's Witnesses will not bow and worship Jesus as He
deserves. You honor the name "Jehovah" more than the name "Jesus".
You say Jesus is not God equal to the Father God. You will not confess
that Jesus is Lord of all and is all powerful to the glory of the Father.

We worship the father, with give glory and honour to the Christ, but we shall not engage in an act of idolatry by worshipping a created entity.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
my dear friend, let us clarify a few matters, materialism is a state of mind, the value or emphasis that one puts on material things. It therefore becomes not proper to use nominal Christians as a litmus test, nor even the wealthy or the less wealthy. Secondly my observations were of a scenario based in the UK, which can hardly be described as a 'G than all those muscle kissing young posers at the gym, but i also have a bigger tummy too 🙁

Firstly let's just clarify what you mean by 'materialism' in this context. I adhere to the philosophy of materialism, but i am not materialist in any way in the consumer sense. The two are not mutually exclusive.

As for B & Q. So what if people choose to go there on a Sunday?! It's a DIY store, we have a nation of fatties and your objecting to people buying some products to go home and carry out some manual work in the garden or elsewhere in their property?! Gimme a break. So what if people want to carry out some DIY?! We should be encouraging it.

It was deemed a rather special time if my memory serves me correct, not a mundane time given to buying cabinet doors and bathroom suits.

Have you ever considered that maybe -

1. People might do a spot of shopping at B & Q before or after people come round for a Sunday lunch.

2. People might do a spot of shopping at B & Q before or after they go to someone else's house for a Sunday lunch.

3. Some couples kids might have grown up and moved further afield so there is no longer people to have a Sunday lunch with? Until my girlfriends Mum moved this week her closest child lived 150 miles away. A 300 mile round trip for a Sunday lunch is a little excessive don't you think?!

LOL, yes I am a hamster, i want to lose weight, not build muscle, cardiovascular i like

Oh dear, your mind has been hijacked by the 'safe machine' and outdated science garbage that is spewed by commercial gyms. Unfortunately it would require too much of my time to correct that the present moment. We'll have to save it for another day.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Firstly let's just clarify what you mean by 'materialism' in this context. I adhere to the philosophy of materialism, but i am not materialist in any way in the consumer sense. The two are not mutually exclusive.

As for B & Q. So what if people choose to go there on a Sunday?! It's a DIY store, we have a nation of fatties and your objecting to people ...[text shortened]... h of my time to correct that the present moment. We'll have to save it for another day.

ok, i see i am having not a little bother convincing you guys of consumerism being symptomatic of a materialistic philosophy, ill need to try another line.

As for the gym, i am on a program that burns essentially 1000 calories per workout, roughly 700 on aerobic exercises, treadmill, cross-trainer, cycling, rowing etc and the other 300 from weights. why is it outdated to attempt weight loss this way, is not our metabolism increased and our 'fat burning', mechanisms activated as a direct consequence??