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@sonship [i]said[/i

2.) Gnostic books and many other works written a century latter like Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Peter, should have been recognized by the "church fathers" as having the same value as the apostle's books.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

By recognizing the failures of the church fathers in assembling the Bible you undermine scripture in its entirety.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

By recognizing the failures of the church fathers in assembling the Bible you undermine scripture in its entirety.

I "recognized" no such failure.
I "recognized" rather that God led them and finally they
completed recognition of the canon.

I said nothing about their failures in that regard.
Quote me if I did.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

You said the 'Gnostic books and many other works written a century later like Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Peter, should have been recognized by the "church fathers.'

Apologies to Ghost. I did make a sloppy error when I wrote:

2.) Gnostic books and many other works written a century latter like Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Peter, should have been recognized by the "church fathers" as having the same value as the apostle's books.

@sonship said
Apologies to Ghost. I did make a sloppy error when I wrote:

2.) Gnostic books and many other works written a century latter like Gospel of Thomas, Gospel of Peter, should have been recognized by the "church fathers" as having the same value as the apostle's books.

The Gnostic books were PROPERLY rejected as NOT canonical.
Many other books, ...[text shortened]... of what I meant to say.
Let that a lesson to me when rushing or writing at ackward hours.

You don't believe in God, so you say.
So you don't believe in God's enemy, Satan.

But for many of us who do, it us understandable that ONE of the many tactics Satan would utilize to stop God from doing His will is - imitation, copy, be like, act like, confuse the situation.

God communicated with man through some writings.
Satan said "Well, if He is going to send books into the world, I can do that too. Some will be heplful, spiritual,
pious, religious, interesting, sounding authoritative, even with important names attached to them."

So with the inspirered books a plethora of other books not inpsired. And here inspired has a special meaning. This is where many people think inspired means merely "inspirational". In the communication of written oracles of God, inspiration, means from God to us. it is not that other books are not inpisprational, or pious, or with some spiritual content.

Even some non-canonical books are referred to by books in the OT and NT canons. So it is an interesting situation.

@sonship said
You don't believe in God, so you say.
So you don't believe in God's enemy, Satan.

But for many of us who do, it us understandable that ONE of the many tactics Satan would utilize to stop God from doing His will is - imitation, copy, be like, act like, confuse the situation.

God communicated with man through some writings.
Satan said "Well, if He is going to ...[text shortened]... canonical books are referred to by books in the OT and NT canons. So it is an interesting situation.

In other words, they erred in not doing so. What else did they err in leaving out or err in including? You have after all opened the door to the fallibility of scripture.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

At the moment you should be more concerned that you are about to share Satan's miserable destiny as one who doesn't accept God's headship or existence.

I remind you that you recommended A.W. Tozar who wrote a famous sermon on "Christ's Waning Authority in the Churches" in which he also wrote some tough love minded diagnosis for the beloved brothers caught in Christiandom's degradation. Funny you didn't sensationalize that.

Rather than clinging to your juicy misquoting gossip, you better give some attention to where YOU are with knowing Jesus as Lord.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

At the moment you should be more concerned that you are about to share Satan's miserable destiny as one who doesn't accept God's headship or existence.

I remind you that you recommended A.W. Tozar who wrote a famous sermon on "Christ's Waning Authority in the Churches" in which he also wrote some tough love minded diagnosis for the beloved brothers ...[text shortened]... juicy misquoting gossip, you better give some attention to where YOU are with knowing Jesus as Lord.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I have asked you before to provide a reference to this. I have no memory of ever quoting Tozer or recommending him.

And your threats about Satan are wasted on me.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I have asked you before to provide a reference to this. I have no memory of ever quoting Tozer or recommending him.

You once spoke positively about A.W. Tozar. You remembered for a long time (and made no denial). Only recently you seemed to forget, convienently perhaps.

No, I am not going to go get your post.
Deny it, if ...[text shortened]... ed on me. [/quote]

Gossip on one of God's faithful servants by a scandal lover are wasted on me.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

You were probably showing off that you knew something about him.
Maybe you didn't quote. But the comment was a positive one.

I think you tend to show off to some here that you know a thing or two about Christianity quoting scriptures like a fundamentalist. So I would not be suprised if you somewhere thought it would be fun to speak well of Tozar's writings.

I remember. If you don't, I still do.

@mike69 said
My insight/opinion only is men err, God doesn’t. What may not be today, may be tomorrow or not it’s Gods choice. We as Christians and what that entails to God not oneself as in sainthood or not or anything else is what matters and the rest falls into place. I try to be patient and wait upon the Lord, Grow in the Living word and let it direct me in heart and mind and th ...[text shortened]... is just my overview of the thread, sorry it went beyond answering the question and just an opinion.