11 Dec 18
@philokalia saidI would suggest that your thinking is totally bonkers.
I think that's just a convenient excuse. I think you were mad. I think you are actually quite prickly about these things.
You made a mistake -- and you deleted your mistakes.
It's OK, though: no judgment. Nobody is perfect. Sometimes we all get angry and hostile.
That's what I think.
And you should have kept it to yourself - it does not aid the debate at all does it?
11 Dec 18
@philokalia said"The veil of ignorance"?
But you clearly see beyond the veil of ignorance, though, right?
11 Dec 18
@philokalia said"Angry and hostile"? What on earth are you one about?
I think that's just a convenient excuse. I think you were mad. I think you are actually quite prickly about these things.
You made a mistake -- and you deleted your mistakes.
It's OK, though: no judgment. Nobody is perfect. Sometimes we all get angry and hostile.
11 Dec 18
@philokalia saidYour certainty and sincerity about your belief in a creator-moral-law-giver god figure create "no real objective reason" either and your religiosity ~ and moral compass attendant thereto ~ is a result of your personal synthesis of culture, your life experiences [i.e. "nurture"], and your innate preferences [i.e. "nature"]. We aren't different in this regard.
Because, ultimately, the reasons you think it wrong are simply reasons given to you by your culture or your innate preferences. There is no real objective reason that would indicate it is necessarily superior.
11 Dec 18
@philokalia saidWhat is it you think "all Britons" disapprove of?
Like, instead of explaining that you disapprove of this like all of your contemporary fellow Britons, why aren't you talking about how these differences don't really matter in the end..?
If your religious orientation gives you solace [in the face of your own mortality], a sense of purpose, and whatever else you get from it ~ solidarity, community, a meaning for your life etc. ~ and it also gives you a framework that helps you not behave in a morally unsound way, then I welcome it.
11 Dec 18
@fmf saidI'm speculating on your deleted posts and telling you why I think that.
"Angry and hostile"? What on earth are you one about?
And you knew that.
But you like incessantly questioning and pretending to not get it as a tactic to make people feel gaslit or become frustrated.
It comes from the same place your accordion arguments come from.
11 Dec 18
@wolfgang59 saidIt does add to it because every discussion with FMF becomes a tedious exercise in asking answering, etc., and the past is always bright in, and motives are always questioned.
I would suggest that your thinking is totally bonkers.
That's what I think.
And you should have kept it to yourself - it does not aid the debate at all does it?
It's what needs to be done to have a fair discussion.
11 Dec 18
@philokalia saidI explained what happened.
I'm speculating on your deleted posts and telling you why I think that.
11 Dec 18
@philokalia saidStuff about the discussion we were having would be more interesting than this.
But you like incessantly questioning and pretending to not get it as a tactic to make people feel gaslit or become frustrated.
It comes from the same place your accordion arguments come from.
11 Dec 18
@philokalia said"Tedious"? When why have you been talking to me non-stop for the last four and a quarter hours?
It does add to it because every discussion with FMF becomes a tedious exercise in asking answering, etc., and the past is always bright in, and motives are always questioned.It's what needs to be done to have a fair discussion.
@wolfgang59 said@philokalia said
I think that's just a convenient excuse. I think you were mad. I think you are actually quite prickly about these things. You made a mistake -- and you deleted your mistakes. It's OK, though: no judgment. Nobody is perfect. Sometimes we all get angry and hostile.
@wolfgang59 said
I would suggest that your thinking is totally bonkers. That's what I think. And you should have kept it to yourself - it does not aid the debate at all does it?
He's said he posted that stuff because he wants to have a fair discussion.
11 Dec 18
@fmf saidThat's right.
@philokalia said
I think that's just a convenient excuse. I think you were mad. I think you are actually quite prickly about these things. You made a mistake -- and you deleted your mistakes. It's OK, though: no judgment. Nobody is perfect. Sometimes we all get angry and hostile.
@wolfgang59 said
I would suggest that your thinking is totally bonkers. ...[text shortened]... te at all does it?
He's said he posted that stuff because he wants to have a fair discussion.
But what you want, and what happens, are always different.
When you are involved, we are automatically dealing with a highly personal minefield where everything gets drudged up from the past and basic statements are questioned.
Why not use what's right in front of us?
Why not have us all on the same page?
11 Dec 18
@philokalia saidWhat "highly personal minefield"? You seem to have gone off on a complete tangent. I accidentally responded to two sonship posts that I had already answered. So I deleted them.
That's right.
But what you want, and what happens, are always different.
When you are involved, we are automatically dealing with a highly personal minefield where everything gets drudged up from the past and basic statements are questioned.
Why not use what's right in front of us?
Why not have us all on the same page?
11 Dec 18
You responded to me; deleted two posts; then responded to me again, all in a quick succession.
But whatever, it's cool. I'll just bring it up every time that I feel you are dredging up the past too much.
And I will do that because I love you and I want you to learn through examples -- and one day, you will understand that when anyone dredges up largely irrelevant things in the past, and makes a mountain out of a mole hill, it is wrong.
But this is our mountain, and it will continue to be a mountain every time that you make a mountain.
And it's a perfect mountain because it's not overtly hostile. It's just annoying bad "gotcha" stuff.