The Neck of the Giraffe

@suzianne said
Since I do believe in a Creator God, I support the scientifically supported idea of evolution as being just one tool in the Creator's toolbox. This theory you put forth follows my own view of evolution, which supports occasional 'tweaks' from the hand of a Creator to keep things moving towards His goal.

Stop stroking the atheists, and have some courage to say you believe in creation.

They don't.

Your alliance with Ghost has diminished your credibility.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Many Christians view evolution as a threat to 'creation' but it actually does lend more to a devoted deity, where creation wasn't just a one-off event but an ongoing process. In their pursuit to protect (the clearly analogous) idea of Adam and Eve they miss the far more significant possibility that God created humans through the long and attentive process of evolution.

I agree, but what makes me think that isn't the way it all went down is how it is
both described in Genesis, and why would He need to do it that way? Thinking
about the God of creation He spoke it all into being, holds it all together by the
power of His Word. He is all knowing, all powerful, and the whole universe cannot
contain Him. He can do it as you suggest, but if He is doing a work, what would
cause Him to have to act that way? Is He limited in anyway, no, is He wise enough
to not only create a universe, but also do it in the state He wanted it to be in
the moment He made it?

If there are limitations at play here, I believe they are simply ours not His. We have
a tendency which causes us a lot of grief for not accepting the Word as it is. More
than a few people God had issues with for that. I would add this is one things that
He seems to value above many things, our trust, and belief in Him. He has a
tendency in scripture to do things that our natural views of the universe say are
impossible, but being God nothing is impossible for Him.

@kellyjay said
I agree, but what makes me think that isn't the way it all went down is how it is
both described in Genesis, and why would He need to do it that way? Thinking
about the God of creation He spoke it all into being, holds it all together by the
power of His Word. He is all knowing, all powerful, and the whole universe cannot
contain Him. He can do it as you suggest, but if ...[text shortened]... our natural views of the universe say are
impossible, but being God nothing is impossible for Him.

KellyJay, you do realize that Ghost doesn't believe in God, or creation, right?

@kellyjay said
I agree, but what makes me think that isn't the way it all went down is how it is
both described in Genesis, and why would He need to do it that way? Thinking
about the God of creation He spoke it all into being, holds it all together by the
power of His Word. He is all knowing, all powerful, and the whole universe cannot
contain Him. He can do it as you suggest, but if ...[text shortened]... our natural views of the universe say are
impossible, but being God nothing is impossible for Him.

If it transpired Kelly that your God had 'some' limitations, would you abandon him?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
If it transpired Kelly that your God had 'some' limitations, would you abandon him?

You cannot offer a reasonable explanation of origin of life.

Stop criticizing Genesis.

@chaney3 said
KellyJay, you do realize that Ghost doesn't believe in God, or creation, right?

Yes, but that doesn't stop conversations, we are both aware of the others starting
position.

@philokalia said

It reminds me vaguely of Bergson and his concept that there are forces within evolution that guide us; all life proceeds to resist against death, and this resistance to death is simply manifestign differently and in different ways in different species towards some ultimate goal.

This was influenced a bit by Schopenhauer as well.

This is not a field that I know that much about, though, so I cannot comment that extensively.

An interesting contribution nonetheless.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
If it transpired Kelly that your God had 'some' limitations, would you abandon him?

He does have limitations, He will not lie, He will never do anything against His
nature. He makes a promise He will not break it.

@kellyjay said
Yes, but that doesn't stop conversations, we are both aware of the others starting
position.

Though only the Ghost knows where we will both end up. 😀

@chaney3 said
You cannot offer a reasonable explanation of origin of life.

Stop criticizing Genesis.

You sound like a leftist that doesn't like hearing opposing views and tries to shut
down free speech.

@kellyjay said
He does have limitations, He will not lie, He will never do anything against His
nature. He makes a promise He will not break it.

What if Creation in 'one act' was impossible, even for Him?

@kellyjay said
Yes, but that doesn't stop conversations, we are both aware of the others starting
position.

Are you trying to convert him to your belief?

Otherwise your back and forth with him is very meaningless.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
What if Creation in 'one act' was impossible, even for Him?

C'mon Ghost.
Stop mocking God.

We get it, you don't believe.

@kellyjay said
If every biologist calls a lifeform that is alive and well, not well-designed, means
they have no frigging clue what they are talking about, or what a successful
lifeform means!

Just because an animal is successful does not mean it is well designed!

Would you call a dewclaw on a dog well designed?

Would you call the hip bone in a whale well designed?

Would you call the eyes of a mole-rat well designed?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
What if Creation in 'one act' was impossible, even for Him?

He did it in 6 days, so 6 acts, and why would it be impossible for an eternal God?
I'd also remind you He is eternally timeless 🙂, time doesn't have an affect upon Him
He isn't bound by it, He was, is, and is to come. What transpires here are mainly
done for our sakes, the day of rest for example wasn't because He got tired.