The Pharisee and the Tax Collector

Luke 18 ESV

9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

@kellyjay said
For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

Luke 18 ESV

9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 12 I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’ 13 But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’ 14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

@sonship said

Luke 18 ESV

9 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt: 10 “Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11 The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even ...[text shortened]... himself will be exalted.”

Whew! Sounds like me.

Thank God for the blood of Jesus.

@fmf said
One of the fascinating things about this forum is how many of its Christians so often exalt themselves while not appearing to be engaged in humbling themselves at all.

@suzianne said
It's just a story from a book you don't believe in.

It's not worth getting all grumpy at people who relate it.

@fmf said
It's not the story I am talking about. It's the moral that is extracted from it. It strikes me as self-deceiving.

@kellyjay said
The self deceiving aspect of it are those who think they are better than others while patting themselves on the back for all they do. We all fall short!

@fmf said
The self-deceiving aspect of it is things like Christians trotting out the last sentence of your OP.

Christians equate being "born again" with modesty. They go around talking about how they have found "God" and how "God" has a special purpose for them.

They poopoo the different "Gods" of other theists. They brandish their supposed personal monopoly of "the truth". They eve ...[text shortened]... rlife.

It's arrogant and conceited and egotistical. It's the diametrically opposite of humility.

@kellyjay said
If you think you are righteous enough on your own, or don’t worry about such things, it is on you.

Ezekiel 33
10“Now as for you, son of man, say to the house of Israel, ‘Thus you have spoken, saying, “Surely our transgressions and our sins are upon us, and we are rotting away in them; how then can we survive?”’ 11“Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord GOD, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’

14“But when I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and he turns from his sin and practices justice and righteousness, 15if a wicked man restores a pledge, pays back what he has taken by robbery, walks by the statutes which ensure life without committing iniquity, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 16“None of his sins that he has committed will be remembered against him. He has practiced justice and righteousness; he shall surely live.
17“Yet your fellow citizens say, ‘The way of the Lord is not right,’ when it is their own way that is not right.

@kellyjay said
If you think you are righteous enough on your own, or don’t worry about such things, it is on you.

@kellyjay said
The self deceiving aspect of it are those who think they are better than others while patting themselves on the back for all they do. We all fall short!

@fmf said
You don't seem to understand the point about "humility" that I have raised with you.

@kellyjay said
Well according to the scripture you responded to, there are those quite content in their own righteousness who look down on others. Then also there are also those who acknowledge their guilt and need for God’s mercy because they see their sins. Which of the two do you think grasp pride and which humility?

@kellyjay said
Which of the two do you think grasp pride and which humility?