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08 Sep 11
Originally posted by jaywillThere were a lot of religious people involved in the moon missions.I am not sure what you mean by 'we would not have gone to the moon without faith'. However I would like to clarify I meant we got to the moon with science not faith. Faith didn't make the rockets, or plot trajectories.
Science did.
I saw a documentary on the Apollo project. When Apollo 13 was in trouble and the world was not sure t ...[text shortened]... friends of some of the men, some of those scientists were turning their petition to God.
This was inevitable given the prevalence of religious people in America.
Of course many people prayed throughout the missions, particularly during the troubles of Apollo 13.
I just don't think the prayer's would/did any good, beyond possibly making the people praying feel better.
The Apollo 13 mission was brought back safely by a scientific and engineering tour de force.
I am not sure why you thought I would be mad at you for pointing this out though.
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by googlefudge
There were a lot of religious people involved in the moon missions.
This was inevitable given the prevalence of religious people in America.
Of course many people prayed throughout the missions, particularly during the troubles of Apollo 13.
I just don't think the prayer's would/did any good, beyond possibly making the people praying feel better. ...[text shortened]... de force.
I am not sure why you thought I would be mad at you for pointing this out though.
There were a lot of religious people involved in the moon missions.
Probably. And also a few non-religious spiritual people too.
This was inevitable given the prevalence of religious people in America.
Of course many people prayed throughout the missions, particularly during the troubles of Apollo 13.
I just don't think the prayer's would/did any good, beyond possibly making the people praying feel better.
That's your unbelief.
And if while praying one feels comforted also in addition to being heard by God, no harm in that.
Your get warm fuzzys about your atheism. Right ?
Sure you do.
The Apollo 13 mission was brought back safely by a scientific and engineering tour de force.
Well, if the precision of the moving bodies in outer space was not so exact, as some of us would thank the Creator, they would not have been able to do it.
Any reading OUT of the creation, technological knowledge, I count as reading OUT what the Intellgent Mind of the Creator put INTO the creation.
Science reads out principles that reflect LAWs put into God's creation by God's intelligent mind.
So while I certainly applaud the scientific efforts and know-how of NASA, I am also thankful to God that He has those heavenly orbs moving about and rotating out there in such splendid precision.
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by googlefudgeIt would be very time consuming for anyone to explain the "big picture"
ok.
What do think the big picture is in this instance.
to you so that you would really understand, because of your present
world view. But basically you ignore all the problems against evolution
and gladly accept any evidence that you think points to the proof of
evolution in a naturalistic way and excludes the need for God to do
anything. You must take into account that God finished His work in the
beginning. We are now viewing "the clock running down". It is no longer
in an evolving state coming from the common Designer, who after
designing and making one thing builds on that thing by designing
something a little more complex but different. It is like man who builds
on the Radio and the next thing you know he has built a television. The
only thing we see today that looks like evolution working is adaptation,
which God had built in to his animals so that it would make it more likely
they would survive harsh times, and mutations, which is reproduction
defects in the animal. Problems like missing links in the fossil records is
no lnger a problem with evolutionist because they just say they will
be discovered in time or just deny that there are missing links. I am
not going to go on and on for I think you should get the idea and I am
not really qualified as well as others are to point out all the problems with
the theory of evolution.
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by Proper Knob**************BUMPED FOR RON**************
[b]I also say Intelligent Design is not a religion; but it is a fact of scientific observation
If ID is a fact of scientific observation, explain how God created the diversification of life on this planet then please Ron.[/b]
I also say Intelligent Design is not a religion; but it is a fact of scientific observation
If ID is a fact of scientific observation, explain how God created the diversification
08 Sep 11
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Originally posted by Proper KnobI can not explain how God created the diversification for I was not there when
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[b]I also say Intelligent Design is not a religion; but it is a fact of scientific observation
If ID is a fact of scientific observation, explain how God created the diversification[/b]
he did it. But the Holy Bible said he did it quickly, which agrees with scientific
observation. Below is taken from the article on the Cambian Explosion:
The Cambrian explosion has generated extensive scientific debate. The
seemingly rapid appearance of fossils in the “Primordial Strata” was noted as
early as the mid 19th century, and Charles Darwin saw it as one of the main
objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural
selection.
The long-running puzzlement about the appearance of the Cambrian fauna,
seemingly abruptly and from nowhere, centers on three key points: whether
there really was a mass diversification of complex organisms over a relatively
short period of time during the early Cambrian; what might have caused such
rapid change; and what it would imply about the origin and evolution of
animals. Interpretation is difficult due to a limited supply of evidence, based
mainly on an incomplete fossil record and chemical signatures left in Cambrian
rocks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHindsI see, so according to you (this is what you said earlier in the tread) -
I can not explain how God created the diversification for I was not there when
he did it. But the Holy Bible said he did it quickly, which agrees with scientific
observation. Below is taken from the article on the Cambian Explosion:
The Cambrian explosion has generated extensive scientific debate. The
seemingly rapid appearance of fossils in the “Pri ...[text shortened]... chemical signatures left in Cambrian
rocks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambrian_explosion
Intelligent Design is not given equal opportunity in the classroom, even though it is a better scientific theory than evolution.
It's a better scientific theory than evolution, but you can offer no explanation of how it happened?! I can sum up an Intelligent Design class right now for you -
Teacher - Right kids, welcome to your ID class. My name is Mr Knob. The first lesson of ID is that God is responsible for the creation and diversification of life on this planet. How or why these processes occurred nobody knows, and that sums up your ID class for the year. Any questions?
08 Sep 11
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Originally posted by Proper KnobYou would not make a very good teacher, nor would I. We would need
I see, so according to you (this is what you said earlier in the tread) -
Intelligent Design is not given equal opportunity in the classroom, even though it is a better scientific theory than evolution.
It's a better scientific theory than evolution, but you can offer no explanation of how it happened?! I can sum up an Intelligent ...[text shortened]... rocesses occurred nobody knows, and that sums up your ID class for the year. Any questions?[/i]
somebody more knowledgeable on the subject than either one of us. I
am sure there would be more to the class than what you represent. so
somebody like Michael Behe would probably be able to give a good class
on the subject.
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by Proper Knobwill our final exam consist of only the question "who did it all?"
I see, so according to you (this is what you said earlier in the tread) -
Intelligent Design is not given equal opportunity in the classroom, even though it is a better scientific theory than evolution.
It's a better scientific theory than evolution, but you can offer no explanation of how it happened?! I can sum up an Intelligent ...[text shortened]... rocesses occurred nobody knows, and that sums up your ID class for the year. Any questions?[/i]
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by RJHindsthere is no knowledge in intelligent design.
You would not make a very good teacher, nor would I. We would need
somebody more knowledgeable on the subject than either one of us. I
am sure there would be more to the class than what you represent. so
somebody like Michael Behe would probably be able to give a good class
on the subject.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8jXXJN4o_A
there can be no knowledge in intelligent design. it just claims there is a creator at least at the beginning or maybe even throughout the process. but whereas evolution at least tries to outline a process, to document cases that prove the process occured, intelligent design is simply the retarded kid that looks at an explosion and goes "wow!".
behe is a fraud. a proven fraud.
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by ZahlanziWhere is this proof? You make a statement and then off you go like a
there is no knowledge in intelligent design.
there can be no knowledge in intelligent design. it just claims there is a creator at least at the beginning or maybe even throughout the process. but whereas evolution at least tries to outline a process, to document cases that prove the process occured, intelligent design is simply the retarded kid that looks at an explosion and goes "wow!".
behe is a fraud. a proven fraud.
scared rabbit.
08 Sep 11
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Originally posted by RJHindsAccording to the Wikipedia page on Michael Behe:
You would not make a very good teacher, nor would I. We would need
somebody more knowledgeable on the subject than either one of us. I
am sure there would be more to the class than what you represent. so
somebody like Michael Behe would probably be able to give a good class
on the subject.
Behe was forced to concede that "there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred"
So it seems Behe would not be much good either. Unless you are suggesting we teach in science class things that have not been able to survive the most basic part of the modern scientific methodology - the peer review process?
Behe sounds remarkably like you:
"In fact, on cross-examination, Professor Behe was questioned concerning his 1996 claim that science would never find an evolutionary explanation for the immune system. He was presented with fiftyeight peer-reviewed publications, nine books, and several immunology textbook chapters about the evolution of the immune system; however, he simply insisted that this was still not sufficient evidence of evolution, and that it was not "good enough."
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by twhiteheadBehe would not be swayed even if we genetically engineered a T rex then evolved that into birds showing every step along the way.
According to the Wikipedia page on Michael Behe:Behe was forced to concede that "there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred"
So it seems Behe would n ...[text shortened]... was still not sufficient evidence of evolution, and that it was not "good enough."[/quote]
Then it would be 'this is the work of the devil'.
08 Sep 11
Originally posted by sonhouseBehe would be swayed if a reasonable testable experiment with a flagellum would be conducted.
Behe would not be swayed even if we genetically engineered a T rex then evolved that into birds showing every step along the way.
Then it would be 'this is the work of the devil'.
So why not get busy and do it ? What are you waiting for ?
Michael Behe on Falsyfying Intelligent Design