The secret family of Jesus

Originally posted by ahosyney
It has nothing to do with omniptent,

To have a son, it means that part of you is separated to form the son.

So it means GOD separated into parts, which is aganist perfection of GOD.

And the son has the same attributes of his father, which make him another GOD. And that is not possible.

Because if there is two GODs with omniptent, then it could ...[text shortened]... OD can't have a real son. Not because he can't do that, but because it agnist GOD attributes.

not that I'm a Christian but, "So it means GOD separated into parts, which is aganist perfection of GOD" is fallacious reasoning.

Originally posted by frogstomp
not that I'm a Christian but, "So it means GOD separated into parts, which is aganist perfection of GOD" is fallacious reasoning.

can you tell me why?

Originally posted by ahosyney
can you tell me why?

It depends on you definition of perfect. If you define perfect as being in one part, then of course God cannot be perfect and be in several parts. This, however, is circular reasoning. There is no reason why you can't have a definition of perfection that is compatible with being in several parts.

Originally posted by ahosyney
Another contradiction with what?, oh my GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you read what I wrote? I was trying to show a logical explaination. But it seams you see only your point of view.

You stipulated something god cannot do. However, God is supposed to be omnipotent, and can therefore do anything. For god to not be able to do something would contradict his supposed omnipotence.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
You stipulated something god cannot do. However, God is supposed to be omnipotent, and can therefore do anything. For god to not be able to do something would contradict his supposed omnipotence.

Can GOD die?

Originally posted by whiterose
It depends on you definition of perfect. If you define perfect as being in one part, then of course God cannot be perfect and be in several parts. This, however, is circular reasoning. There is no reason why you can't have a definition of perfection that is compatible with being in several parts.

I will try to explain it :

To have a part it means that GOD spearated into parts. It means that GOD decreases.

So the question: Is it sutiable for GOD to decrease?

What about the separated part?

Isn't spearation into parts means that GOD changed?

That is what I mean by perfection attributes of GOD:

1- GOD doesn't change (it has nothing to do omnipotent).
2- GOD doesn't decrease.

Besides having a son implys the existance of two GODs, which I discussed before.

Originally posted by ahosyney
Can GOD die?

he asks the atheist. To an atheist, of course God can't die, as He never existed in the first place.

You are a theist, so why don't you tell us, can God die?

Originally posted by ahosyney
I will try to explain it :

To have a part it means that GOD spearated into parts. It means that GOD decreases.

So the question: Is it sutiable for GOD to decrease?

What about the separated part?

Isn't spearation into parts means that GOD changed?

That is what I mean by perfection attributes of GOD:

1- GOD doesn't change (it has nothing ...[text shortened]... decrease.

Besides having a son implys the existance of two GODs, which I discussed before.

How does separating something into parts necessarily decrease it?
Perhaps God has always had three parts, and thus has never changed. So if your definition of perfection is not changing, then a God with three parts could certainly be compatible with that.

Originally posted by whiterose
How does separating something into parts necessarily decrease it?
Perhaps God has always had three parts, and thus has never changed. So if your definition of perfection is not changing, then a God with three parts could certainly be compatible with that.

How does separating something into parts necessarily decrease it?

If it didn't decrease it, so how it is separated.

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Ok lets assume that it is true, then if one of the three parts separated to be the son, and come on earth. That means at a certain period of time GOD decreased, and changed, because one of his three parts is not there. And Imagine that, one of the three parts died for three days.

Originally posted by whiterose
he asks the atheist. To an atheist, of course God can't die, as He never existed in the first place.

You are a theist, so why don't you tell us, can God die?

I know he is atheist. Here we talk about the domain of GOD existance, and the attribute of that GOD?, so if he talks with me about GOD omnipotent then he must know an answer for the question.

For myself, of cource GOD doesn't die.

Originally posted by ahosyney
I know he is atheist. Here we talk about the domain of GOD existance, and the attribute of that GOD?, so if he talks with me about GOD omnipotent then he must know an answer for the question.

For myself, of cource GOD doesn't die.

So, you postulate a God with limited powers then?

Originally posted by ahosyney
[b]How does separating something into parts necessarily decrease it?

If it didn't decrease it, so how it is separated.

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Ok lets assume that it is true, then if one of the three parts separated to be the son, and come on earth. That means at a certain period of time GOD decreased, and changed, because one of his three parts is not there. And Imagine that, one of the three parts died for three days.[/b]

What are you talking about? If I separate an egg into white and yolk, have I decreased it? I don't think so. There is a simple example of separating something without decreasing it.

One of God's three parts is not where? Isn't God omnipresent? That means that all of his parts must be omnipresent, and therefore not separated. I assume that if Jesus was a manifestation of God on earth, he was just that, a MANIFESTATION.

Originally posted by whiterose
What are you talking about? If I separate an egg into white and yolk, have I decreased it? I don't think so. There is a simple example of separating something without decreasing it.

One of God's three parts is not where? Isn't God omnipresent? That means that all of his parts must be omnipresent, and therefore not separated. I assume that if Jesus was a manifestation of God on earth, he was just that, a MANIFESTATION.

What are you talking about? If I separate an egg into white and yolk, have I decreased it? I don't think so.

Is the white or the yolk equal to a complete Egg?

So if you take the white out of the egg does this mean you didn't decreased the Egg? I don't know what you mean.

Separation means you divide something into two or more parts. Non of the parts is equal to original one. So the original one is decreased.

There is a simple example of separating something without decreasing it.

Please show me the example.

One of God's three parts is not where?
I mean separated. Separation makes it a different entity. And GOD decreased from 3 parts into two.

Isn't God omnipresent?
Yes

That means that all of his parts must be omnipresent, and therefore not separated.

If they are not separated then there is no Son. The son is separated from his father, has a different entity.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
So, you postulate a God with limited powers then?

Ok if you don't want to belive it is up to you, but don't try to talk to me as talking to an Idiote, or brainwashed person.

If you understand being eternal as limitation of power, then there is nothing more I can say to you.

Originally posted by ahosyney
[b]What are you talking about? If I separate an egg into white and yolk, have I decreased it? I don't think so.

Is the white or the yolk equal to a complete Egg?

So if you take the white out of the egg does this mean you didn't decreased the Egg? I don't know what you mean.

Separation means you divide something into two or more parts. Non of th ...[text shortened]... parated then there is no Son. The son is separated from his father, has a different entity.[/b]

If you take the white out of the yoke then there is no egg, there is only white and yoke which together make up the egg. How is anything decreased?

God cannot be separated into separate entities as He is omnipresent. As I already stated, God's manifestation on earth does not mean one part is separated from the others.