05 Apr 05
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Originally posted by DarfiusAs usual Darfius, conflict between us exists because what you have read is not what I have written. Where did I mention your name in my post? If you meet the criteria for my claim of ignorance and delusion, good and well, but I did not name you as such, nor do I make such a claim now.
[b]It is my personal choice to believe as I do (and the same is true of all theists or atheists, whether they wish to acknowledge it or not) as a matter of preference. To claim otherwise is ignorance and delusion.
It is not my cho ...[text shortened]... delusional because I am born-again (inseperably) in Christ Jesus.[/b]
What can I say to you? I am a man of both faith and logic. If you so choose to deny logic and are disturbed because I call it as it is, that is unfortunate. The universe is not Burger King and you can't have it your way.
05 Apr 05
Originally posted by DarfiusDarfius, I do not think you are ignorant, but I must say that I can understand why some may find you so frustrating when you say this: "It is not my choice to believe as I do. I made a choice to believe..." It's kind of like telling us you are eating a hamburger, but it is really speghetti.
[b]It is my personal choice to believe as I do (and the same is true of all theists or atheists, whether they wish to acknowledge it or not) as a matter of preference. To claim otherwise is ignorance and delusion.
It is not my choice to believe as I do. I made a choice to believe, and Christ Jesus keeps me believing. I find it highly disturbing t ...[text shortened]... at you think I am ignorant and delusional because I am born-again (inseperably) in Christ Jesus.[/b]
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by kirksey957He is tacitly distinguishing between processes of belief formation and processes of belief retention. The formation of his belief was a matter of choice. The retention of his belief is a function of God. I guess this means it takes a miracle to continue believing in God.😀
Darfius, I do not think you are ignorant, but I must say that I can understand why some may find you so frustrating when you say this: "It is not my choice to believe as I do. I made a choice to believe..." It's kind of like telling us you are eating a hamburger, but it is really speghetti.
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by bbarrI meant I love Jesus. You don't leave someone you love.
He is tacitly distinguishing between processes of belief formation and processes of belief retention. The formation of his belief was a matter of choice. The retention of his belief is a function of God. I guess this means it takes a miracle to continue believing in God.😀
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by OmnislashThe Lord said to love Him with all your mind, and all your heart and soul and strength.
As usual Darfius, conflict between us exists because what you have read is not what I have written. Where did I mention your name in my post? If you meet the criteria for my claim of ignorance and delusion, good and well, but I did not name you as such, nor do I make such a claim now.
What can I say to you? I am a man of both faith and logic. If you so ...[text shortened]... as it is, that is unfortunate. The universe is not Burger King and you can't have it your way.
Seems like you have the first part down, but what about the rest?
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by bbarrSays you! Belief is not a choice. Free will is an illusion. - (hoping you will get back to the free-will debate.)
He is tacitly distinguishing between processes of belief formation and processes of belief retention. The formation of his belief was a matter of choice. The retention of his belief is a function of God. I guess this means it takes a miracle to continue believing in God.😀
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by ColettiOh yeah, I was asked to give an argument in there. First I need to write a post on Euthyphro's dilemma, and try to show you that your Divine Command theory is false.
Says you! Belief is not a choice. Free will is an illusion. - (hoping you will get back to the free-will debate.)
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by DarfiusLet me make something clear here. Sequence of events.
The Lord said to love Him with all your mind, and all your [b]heart and soul and strength.
Seems like you have the first part down, but what about the rest? [/b]
I state my thoughts on logical premise of theist/atheist/agnostice.
You take offense, take it personally, are "disturbed".
I express that my statement was not meant offensively or personally. It was merely a statement of logic and fact.
You preach, judge my spiritual relationship, infer that I am not a good Christian.
Now, allow me to retort. This last statement is irrelevant to the subject we have been discussing and serves no other purpose than to insult me and infer my spirituality is wanting. So permit me to inquire, how many more times will I have to make it clear to you that your personal judgement of my spiritual relationship with God is irrelevant now, and always will be irrelevant, and of absolutelty no consequence to me. Maybe if I type it in bold you will comprehend this simple statement this time.
Only God can judge me
Now then, if you still retain the mental faculties to express a relevant and intelligent thought, go right ahead. If you are incapable of doing anything other than preaching and then disrespecting those that offer a different train of thought, then perhaps it best if you refrain from expression entirely.
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by OmnislashYou labeled my relationship with the Almighty Creator of all things a "preference". Of course I will be offended.
Let me make something clear here. Sequence of events.
I state my thoughts on logical premise of theist/atheist/agnostice.
You take offense, take it personally, are "disturbed".
I express that my statement was not meant offensively or personally. It was merely a statement of logic and fact.
You preach, judge my spiritual relationship, infe ...[text shortened]... a different train of thought, then perhaps it best if you refrain from expression entirely.
I did not choose the Lord Jesus as I would a particular coat on a rack. He is my soveriegn Lord and I could not and would not leave Him. You called that illogical. I show you Scripture and ask a question and you lash out. I think all of this speaks for itself.
06 Apr 05
Originally posted by DarfiusThere is not one thing in this statement which is accurate Darfius. I made a logical assesment on belief, to which you have yet to present a logical counter arguement despite your numerous posts in response. I am sorry if you are offended but your taking offense does not warrant your misrepresentation of what I have said or your judgement of my spirituality.
You labeled my relationship with the Almighty Creator of all things a "preference". Of course I will be offended.
I did not choose the Lord Jesus as I would a particular coat on a rack. He is my soveriegn Lord and I could not and would not leave Him. You called that illogical. I show you Scripture and ask a question and you lash out. I think all of this speaks for itself.
I wouldn't be suprised if after another page or two, you will "quote" me as wanting to nuke the unborn gay whales for jesus.
06 Apr 05
It is my personal choice to believe as I do (and the same is true of all theists or atheists, whether they wish to acknowledge it or not) as a matter of preference. To claim otherwise is ignorance and delusion.
Are you or are you not saying that belief in the Lord is a mere matter of "preference"?