Originally posted by LemonJello"Etymology Faith: The English word is thought to date from 1200–50, from the Middle English feith, via Anglo-French fed, Old French feid, feit from Latin fidem, accusative of fid; (trust), akin to fdere; (to trust)."
Ah, I see. Very helpful, Bobby.
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LemonJello, do you trust anyone to give you accurate information? If not, do you trust yourself? Only yourself?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyDo you have any intention to answer even a simple question such as what context you are targeting here? If not, why start such a thread in the first place? Why waste others' time?
"Etymology Faith: The English word is thought to date from 1200–50, from the Middle English feith, via Anglo-French fed, Old French feid, feit from Latin fidem, accusative of fid; (trust), akin to fdere; (to trust)."
LemonJello, do you trust anyone to give you accurate information? If not, do you trust yourself? Only yourself?
Originally posted by LemonJelloFaith is one of the words within the thread's context; conversation is nigh
Do you have any intention to answer even a simple question such as what context you are targeting here? If not, why start such a thread in the first place? Why waste others' time?
unto impossible if the word "faith" (which has been around since 1250 AD)
has not yet been added to LemonJello's working English vocabulary.
Note: "Others" are not the issue; only one person is doing the complaining.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI see...so because I ask you what particular context of the term you are targeting in a thread in which you purport to foster discussion regarding the term, I am complaining beyond what is reasonable...according to you, that is.
Faith is one of the words within the thread's context; conversation is nigh
unto impossible if the word "faith" (which has been around since 1250 AD)
has not yet been added to LemonJello's working English vocabulary.
Note: "Others" are not the issue; only one person is doing the complaining.
Well, I've come to expect no more from you...sad but true.
Originally posted by LemonJello"I ask you what particular context of the term you are targeting in a thread in which you purport to foster discussion regarding the term..."
I see...so because I ask you what particular context of the term you are targeting in a thread in which you purport to foster discussion regarding the term, I am complaining beyond what is reasonable...according to you, that is.
Well, I've come to expect no more from you...sad but true.
The context is the Original Post. Please hold the fort while I go back to retrieve it for your benefit. Thanks for your patience.
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
Three Systems of Human Perception
"Empiricism (empirical) Perception; Perception by means of Rationalism; Faith Perception A. Definition. 1.) Basically there are three systems of human perception. a. Faith is a non-meritorious system of perception based on confidence in the authority and the veracity of another. Faith is not based on one’s own knowledge, as is rationalism or empiricism. b. Rationalism is reason from the source of knowledge in itself, superior to and independent of any other source of perception. Rationalism says that reality is what you think to be true. Rationalism requires a high I.Q., from which systems of philosophy are often developed. c. Empiricism is knowledge from perception by observation and experience rather than by theory. All ideas are derived from some sensuous experience using the eyes, ears, nose, touch, etc., having no innate conceptions. 2.) Perception by faith is always non-meritorious. It depends on the authority, veracity, and ability of someone else. Faith requires authority. 3.) Faith also means a system of doctrine or a creed perceived by faith; i.e., what is believed."
http://wisdomknowledge.wordpress.com/2010/01/08/the-doctrine-of-faith/
"Faith is the spur that drives people forward to discover Truth. However, it can be misplaced and cannot be a system of perceiving absolute Truth." Yes, Pianoman1, if confidence in someone's ability or authority or veracity is in doubt. Wouldn't the same criteria hold true for Rationalism if reasoning from premises and postulates which may be in error? "It has become a big thing simply because the clarification never came." Penguin, thanks for your patience in waiting for my reply; let's hope this delineation clarifies the issues. "Faith perception to me means someone perceiving another person as having faith." sonhouse, yes, "Faith also means a system of doctrine or a creed perceived by faith; i.e., what is believed." -Bob (1 of 3)
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThe OP simply stipulates that 'faith' is a "non-meritorious system of perception based on confidence in the authority and the veracity of another".
"I ask you what particular context of the term you are targeting in a thread in which you purport to foster discussion regarding the term..."
The context is the Original Post. Please hold the fort while I go back to retrieve it for your benefit. Thanks for your patience.
Sorry, but I don't know what that means. And I would tend to doubt information from that blog about what is 'x' as it functions in usage, since its characterizations of 'empiricism' and 'rationalism' are rather laughable.
Originally posted by LemonJelloThanks for your interest in the topic and contributions to our conversation. -Bob
The OP simply stipulates that 'faith' is a "non-meritorious system of perception based on confidence in the authority and the veracity of another".
Sorry, but I don't know what that means. And I would tend to doubt information from that blog about what is 'x' as it functions in usage, since its characterizations of 'empiricism' and 'rationalism' are rather laughable.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWhatever....
Thanks for your interest in the topic and contributions to our conversation. -Bob
I would reiterate that if others are interested in the topic of 'faith' as well, the archives will offer much better reading...something you already accept with thanks based on my factual authority in archival matters.
Originally posted by LemonJello"If an offence comes out of the truth, better is it that the offence come than that the truth be concealed."
Whatever....
I would reiterate that if others are interested in the topic of 'faith' as well, the archives will offer much better reading...something you already accept with thanks based on my factual authority in archival matters.
(Middle English, Author Unknown)