06 May 14
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIf there was "no comparison" then how could anyone even gage how JC was different from ordinary people?
Originally posted by wolfgang59
Surely it would have been very odd for a man of Jesus's age not to be married in those days?
Yes, I'm sure. The Son of God, Jesus Christ, in hypostatic union [perfect humanity and undiminished deity in one person forever] on earth during the First Advent [appearance] was unique. There is no point of comparison: an awesome reality.
When will you give up your JC-centric view on spirituality. Apparently JC preached some good stuff , but no better than many a guru from India, or a sufi dervish from the Middle East. Or any Zen monk for that matter.
What is it that you fear by incorporating a complete world view and reviewing teachings from all spiritual persuasions and finally realize that JC and Christianity (in it's more sensible forms) has a genuine place in the world but in no way sums up the entirety of spiritual thought in the world??
This is an exert from a five yr old's son chat with his Dad :
Boy "Dad, Why is Jesus the true saviour of people as you have taught me?"
Dad " Because he is the son of God"
Boy " But aren't we all God's children. That is also what you and others [Christians] have taught me? So is JC the only child of God or are we all His children"
Dad" ...Ummm [you fill in the answer because that Dad just totally started talking about something totally different like dinner] "
06 May 14
Originally posted by karoly aczelOriginally posted by karoly aczel
If there was "no comparison" then how could anyone even gage how JC was different from ordinary people?
When will you give up your JC-centric view on spirituality. Apparently JC preached some good stuff , but no better than many a guru from India, or a sufi dervish from the Middle East. Or any Zen monk for that matter.
What is it that you fear by ...[text shortened]... r because that Dad just totally started talking about something totally different like dinner] "
If there was "no comparison" then how could anyone even gage how JC was different from ordinary people?
Jesus Christ: Undiminished Deity and Impeccable Humanity [in hypostatic union] in one person forever = unique.
06 May 14
Originally posted by Grampy Bobbyhypostatic
...[in hypostatic union] in one person forever = unique.
a virtually meaningless word
Is Jesus half man half deity?
No!
He is all man then?
Yes!
Not a god?
Oh sure he is a god ... 100%
That does not make sense! 😠
It does because its called hypostatic union
mmmmmm 🙄
I win 😏
Originally posted by wolfgang59"Hypostatic Union: This is the union of the two natures (Divine and human) in the person of Jesus. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8). He is fully God and fully man (Col. 2:9); thus, he has two natures: God and man. He is not half God and half man. He is 100% God and 100% man. He never lost his divinity. He continued to exist as God when he became a man and added human nature to Himself (Phil. 2:5-11). Therefore, there is a "union in one person of a full human nature and a full divine nature." Right now in heaven there is a man, Jesus, who is our Mediator between us and God the Father. (1 Tim. 2:5).
hypostatic
a virtually meaningless word
Is Jesus half man half deity?
No!
He is all man then?
Yes!
Not a god?
Oh sure he is a god ... 100%
That does not make sense! 😠
It does because its called [b]hypostatic union
mmmmmm 🙄
I win 😏[/b]
Jesus as God: He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33). He is prayed to (Acts 7:59). He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15). He knows all things (John 21:17). He gives eternal life (John 10:28). All the fullness of deity dwells in Him (Colossians 2:9) "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
Jesus as Man: He worshiped the Father (John 17). He prayed to the Father (John 17). He was tempted (Matt. 4:1). He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52). He died (Rom. 5:8). He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)."
http://carm.org/dictionary-hypostatic-union
wolfgang, I hope this definition clarifies the meaning of "hypostatic union"; maybe it should have been included earlier. Bob
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIt is a word made up by Christians.
[b]"Hypostatic Union: This is the union of the two natures (Divine and human) in the person of Jesus. Jesus is God in flesh (John 1:1,14; 10:30-33; 20:28; Phil. 2:5-8; Heb. 1:8). He is fully God and fully man (Col. 2:9); thus, he has two natures: God and man. He is not half God and half man. He is 100% God and 100% man. He never lost his divinity. ...[text shortened]... ion clarifies the meaning of "hypostatic union"; maybe it should have been included earlier. Bob[/b]
Because words (especially written words) have power to ignorant people.
Even if that word describes something ridiculous.
06 May 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59"hypostasis
It is a word made up by Christians.
Because words (especially written words) have power to ignorant people.
Even if that word describes something ridiculous.
Syllabification: hy·pos·ta·sis
noun (plural hypostases)
1 Medicine The accumulation of fluid or blood in the lower parts of the body or organs under the influence of gravity, as occurs in cases of poor circulation or after death.
2 Philosophy An underlying reality or substance, as opposed to attributes or that which lacks substance.
2.1 Theology (In Trinitarian doctrine) each of the three persons of the Trinity, as contrasted with the unity of the Godhead.
2.2 [in singular] Theology The single person of Christ, as contrasted with his dual human and divine nature.
Origin: early 16th century (in theological use): via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek hupostasis 'sediment', later 'essence, substance', from hupo 'under' + stasis 'standing'.
More definitions of hypostasis Definition of hypostasis in:• The British & World English dictionary"
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/hypostasis
06 May 14
Originally posted by wolfgang59"Hypostatic Union: A theological term used with reference to the Incarnation to express the revealed truth that in Christ one person subsists in two natures, the Divine and the human. Hypostasis means, literally, that which lies beneath as basis or foundation. Hence it came to be used by the Greek philosophers to denote reality as distinguished from appearances (Aristotle, "Mund.", IV, 21). It occurs also in St. Paul's Epistles (2 Corinthians 9:4; 11:17; Hebrews 1:3-3:14), but not in the sense of person. Previous to the Council of Nicæa (325) hypostasis was synonymous with ousia, and even St. Augustine (On the Holy Trinity V.8) avers that he sees no difference between them. The distinction in fact was brought about gradually in the course of the controversies to which the Christological heresies gave rise, and was definitively established by the Council of Chalcedon (451), which declared that in Christ the two natures, each retaining its own properties, are united in one subsistence and one person (eis en prosopon kai mian hpostasin) (Denzinger, ed. Bannwart, 148). They are not joined in a moral or accidental union (Nestorius), nor commingled (Eutyches), and nevertheless they are substantially united."
It is a word made up by Christians.
Because words (especially written words) have power to ignorant people.
Even if that word describes something ridiculous.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07610b.htm
06 May 14
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Originally posted by FMFMost humans are not perfect. It's what some call understatement. Try it some time. But the fact remains that Jesus was perfect, so yes, I guess "some" humans are perfect. But most are not.
[b]While this does seem to beg the question of how can He know what it is truly like to be human if He's perfect, most humans are not perfect.
Most humans are not perfect? So, some are?
It's because He was sent to show us what is possible. But we are not perfect, and so allowances are made. We cannot be as Christ, but the entire point is to try, t ...[text shortened]... possible if, as has been suggested, "there is no point of comparison" between Jesus and humans?
I have never said "there is no point of comparison". Don't blame that on me.
06 May 14
Originally posted by KingOnPointBravo.
Wolfgang,
Even Paul the apostle was not married and encouraged others to do the same. Why is it important to know by the bible that Jesus did not have a wife?
I don't know that this applies, but does the Law of God require that the first born child of a family that is a male is consecrated to God and is to be "bought back" by a sacrifice? The bible ...[text shortened]... a wicked human woman body?
If Jesus had not fulfilled the Law of God, then who can be saved?
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06 May 14
Originally posted by SuzianneOf course in reality I have nothing to worry about given your gods non-existence.
Well, I guess "fortunately" for you, you won't have to worry about it.
However if we are talking about the hypothetical world in which your beliefs are true,
I WOULD have something to worry about.
Because under your beliefs, you are expecting god to come and kill everyone [like me] in
the not to distant future.
Given that while I wouldn't want to live for an eternity, I would like to live considerably
longer than the usual [often less than] one century... Preferably at least several millennia.
The idea that your god will turn up and just randomly kill me, and most other people on
the planet really sucks.
I mean if god was just going to turn up and magic away the true believers to your special
magic place and just leave the rest of us then I would be fine with it.
But you are right, I have nothing to worry about because none of that is going to happen.
Because your god doesn't exist.
06 May 14
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyBut isn't everyone unique? Even identical twins.
Originally posted by karoly aczel
If there was "no comparison" then how could anyone even gage how JC was different from ordinary people?
Jesus Christ: Undiminished Deity and Impeccable Humanity [in hypostatic union] in one person forever = unique.
And yet ... we all share a myriad of similarities as well.
This is true of all the universe's (life?)systems. Like plant systems and other life forms through to rock formations and other observable phenomena throughout the known universe. Every blade of grass is so similar and yet they are all unique.
I guess persons like JC just appear to have recognized this and other "universal truths" more experientially than most.... apparently
07 May 14
GoogleFudge,
In the bible, Christ is the only sacrifice for my sins and your sins that will lead to my eternal life and your eternal life. There is no other sacrifice. If you reject Christ, then you have no hope but to be separated from God for an endless amount of soul existence. The bible is clear that you have only 2 destinies to enter. The bible is clear that you will not escape to some 3rd place. Please reconsider your refusal to be with God.
King James Version
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John 14: 6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Acts 4: 12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
I John 4: 14
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
Hebrews 10: 31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
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07 May 14
Originally posted by KingOnPointYes but the bible is a load of baloney written by bronze age peasants who
GoogleFudge,
In the bible, Christ is the only sacrifice for my sins and your sins that will lead to my eternal life and your eternal life. There is no other sacrifice. If you reject Christ, then you have no hope but to be separated from God for an endless amount of soul existence. The bible is clear that you have only 2 destinies to enter. The bible ...[text shortened]... of the world.
Hebrews 10: 31
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
were high on magic mushrooms.
The problem with telling me what it says in the bible is I don't give a damn.
It's not true.
Until and unless you can PROVE it's true [to my satisfaction, not yours] then
Quoting the bible at me is a total and utter waste of your time.
Originally posted by googlefudgeYes but the bible is a load of baloney written by bronze age peasants who
Yes but the bible is a load of baloney written by bronze age peasants who
were high on magic mushrooms.
The problem with telling me what it says in the bible is I don't give a damn.
It's not true.
Until and unless you can PROVE it's true [to my satisfaction, not yours] then
Quoting the bible at me is a total and utter waste of your time.
were high on magic mushrooms.
EVIDENCE NIL! and in fact the statement can be shown to be utterly false.
King David penned a good portion of scripture entitled the Psalms, his son Solomon, fabulously wealthy was as remote from a peasant as one can get. He penned the book of Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Song of Solomon. In what sense were these men peasants? Even Christ disciples, for example the fisherman Peter had a sizable business employing hired men. Paul was a Roman citizen, spoke multiple languages and was highly educated, in what sense was he a peasant?
How it pains me to see you make these irrational and emotive outbursts googly one, you used to be a worthy adversary! but alas we are human and probe to aberration.