01 Feb 08
Originally posted by snowinscotlandDepending on how you use the word "evolution", I see change as the result of new genes in the progression of a family.
*bump*
Just didn't want this thread to drop off without understanding if Joe had understood the evolution within his family in the last four generations...
01 Feb 08
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Originally posted by josephwYour family tree started out with 16 people, four generations back. Various sets of genes were exchanged and combined, and any new set that did not reproduced successfully now do not exist. Therefore, from the original 16 sets of genes, only those combinations that 'worked' now exist. Any that do not 'work' have been eliminated, forever (*1).
Depending on how you use the word "evolution", I see change as the result of new genes in the progression of a family.
Over these four successive generations the very code of which you are made has been refined for survival and reproduction (*2)
Therefore, evolution is affecting your family, powerfully, even in the time you can see. Do you understand that?
*1 Truely 'lost' forever - note the resonance with 'cast into oblivion' and other biblical expressions, but that's for another thread
*2 that's why sex is so attractive, btw.
01 Feb 08
Originally posted by snowinscotlandI understand what you are trying to say here. And on the surface of it, it appears that the process you describe is an evolutionary one.
Your family tree started out with 16 people, four generations back. Various sets of genes were exchanged and combined, and any new set that did not reproduced successfully now do not exist. Therefore, from the original 16 sets of genes, only those combinations that 'worked' now exist. Any that do not 'work' have been eliminated, forever (*1).
Over th ...[text shortened]... expressions, but that's for another thread
*2 that's why sex is so attractive, btw.
But, man was created to live and not die. Death of one generation after the other leaves us with what we now experience.
I believe that God created man as a finished product with no further need for improvement. "..it was very Good".
01 Feb 08
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Originally posted by josephwYou seem to feel you have to choose between what you see in front of you and what you feel you have to believe.
I understand what you are trying to say here. And on the surface of it, it appears that the process you describe is an evolutionary one.
But, man was created to live and not die. Death of one generation after the other leaves us with what we now experience.
I believe that God created man as a finished product with no further need for improvement. "..it was very Good".
I would suggest to you that if you can open your eyes you will see that it is not only not a paradox, but one of the paths that is open to you is not 'real', in the sense that it is a subtle 'deception' of man's creation. I hope you can find the path through.....
01 Feb 08
Originally posted by josephwThen why the fall? Why the existence of sin?
I believe that God created man as a finished product with no further need for improvement.
Also, if I am a finished product with no need for improvement, does that mean I should not bother trying to improve myself?
01 Feb 08
Originally posted by castlerookDon't start going down that road! It just leads to the religious fall back argument that God gave us free will, and it's up to us what to do with it.
Then why the fall? Why the existence of sin?
Also, if I am a finished product with no need for improvement, does that mean I should not bother trying to improve myself?
I am excercising my free will by choosing to not believe... Hope Gods not upset!
The whole point is that Evolution is a powerfull way to show how humans developed without invoking a design principle. It's the best argument against God and Intelligent design, because it shows another way of looking at the world.
01 Feb 08
Originally posted by snowinscotlandYou too my friend.
You seem to feel you have to choose between what you see in front of you and what you feel you have to believe.
I would suggest to you that if you can open your eyes you will see that it is not only not a paradox, but one of the paths that is open to you is not 'real', in the sense that it is a subtle 'deception' of man's creation. I hope you can find the path through.....
01 Feb 08
Originally posted by castlerookIt is a good deal more interesting and complicated than feastboy suggests.
Then why the fall? Why the existence of sin?
Also, if I am a finished product with no need for improvement, does that mean I should not bother trying to improve myself?
When I say "finished product" it has to do with the context of the creation/evolution debate.
The creation story of the fall of man is far more complicated than just Adam one day choosing to disobey God.
Maybe someone might be interested in knowing more about it. But I won't waste my time explaining it to cynical skeptics.
There's plenty of room for improvement for all of us. The key is to be sure what improvement it is we need to do.
01 Feb 08
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Originally posted by Feastboy"..because it shows another way of looking at the world."
Don't start going down that road! It just leads to the religious fall back argument that God gave us free will, and it's up to us what to do with it.
I am excercising my free will by choosing to not believe... Hope Gods not upset!
The whole point is that Evolution is a powerfull way to show how humans developed without invoking a design principle. ent against God and Intelligent design, because it shows another way of looking at the world.
There are many ways in which to see the world, but wouldn't you agree that some of them are delusional?