Originally posted by RJHindsAbsolutely,
I think you will find what you wish to know here:
http://creation.com/how-did-all-the-animals-fit-on-noahs-ark
7 (pairs) of the clean animals, 2 (pairs) of the unclean. My point in bringing this up is to suggest we more often than not accept something vs. looking into it for ourselves to find truth... just because somebody said it For the animals, I have had people argue with me about their makeup 7x2, 2x2, they won't believe it until they actually read it, which tells me they did not read it to begin with.
Food for thought.
Originally posted by kd2aczYou do know it never really happened, don't you?
Absolutely,
7 (pairs) of the clean animals, 2 (pairs) of the unclean. My point in bringing this up is to suggest we more often than not accept something vs. looking into it for ourselves to find truth... just because somebody said it For the animals, I have had people argue with me about their makeup 7x2, 2x2, they won't believe it until they actually read it, which tells me they did not read it to begin with.
Food for thought.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatWell... it's not an argument that I willing to enter into, but I do not agree with you. I think there is plenty of evidence that supports a worldwide flood, and for anyone that wants to dialog about it, the matter becomes what you are willing to listen to. My purpose in my comment about the animals is to show that we sometimes only have half of the picture, most people are unfamiliar with the 7 pairs of animals, which also is the number of completion... in biblical terms.
You do know it never really happened, don't you?
Originally posted by kd2acz
Well... it's not an argument that I willing to enter into, but I do not agree with you. I think there is plenty of evidence that supports a worldwide flood, and for anyone that wants to dialog about it, the matter becomes what you are willing to listen to. My purpose in my comment about the animals is to show that we sometimes only have half of the picture, ...[text shortened]... iliar with the 7 pairs of animals, which also is the number of completion... in biblical terms.
... there is plenty of evidence that supports a worldwide flood...
No there isn't.
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Originally posted by ZahlanziAny broken ankles? 😉
are we gonna try to educate every new fundy that comes in here claiming that story is true?
i saw this dance performed before, i know how it ends.
I will add this article that I come across, it is fairly scientific so enjoy.
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm
Originally posted by kd2aczOne huge argument against the flood story, or the Noah Ark thing: With such a small population, modern genetic analysis can figure out when the last change happened, how diverse a gene pool a particular species has and so forth. If the Ark myth was true, there would be a very small genetic diversity of animals and we know most animal populations have a very wide genetic diversity base.
Any broken ankles? 😉
I will add this article that I come across, it is fairly scientific so enjoy.
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm
Of course, fundies will find some dumb argument they think refutes that but that is what they do, come up with dumb arguments.
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Originally posted by kd2aczIf you think that that article is 'fairly scientific' then you have no idea what 'scientific' means.
Any broken ankles? 😉
I will add this article that I come across, it is fairly scientific so enjoy.
http://www.earthage.org/EarthOldorYoung/scientific_evidence_for_a_worldwide_flood.htm
Show me the articles in respect peer-reviewed SCIENCE journals that support a worldwide flood
4600 yrs ago. Not what some idiot on a website has written using a few vaguely sciency phrases.
You can't because there are no such articles.
A giant worldwide flood 4600 years ago Breaks the laws of physics.
It is not physically possible. Period.
The ONLY way you can have a world drowning flood 4600 yrs ago is by magic.
And if you are claiming it happened by magic then you are BY DEFINITION ignoring or rejecting science.
Science says that the genesis account in the bible not only didn't happen but can't happen as it's impossible.
Observation of the world around us finds precisely zero evidence in support of it and enough evidence FOR
sciences version of events not just to fill a web page or two, but to bury the empire state building.
Now you can reject science if you want http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v489/n7414/full/489170a.html
But if you do you loose the right to claim scientific evidence for anything.
A taste of your own medicine.
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Sacha did so. Her son slipped his hand into hers.
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“I'm what?”
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Sacha's lips moved as she tried to process what he had said.
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“Well, yes,” said James. “But you no longer have a say in things where science is involved. You're not allowed science any more.”
“I never heard anything so ridiculous! Who decided that?”
“The Universe.”
“The Universe? Why should the Universe say I'm not allowed science any more?”
“Because you haven't paid science enough attention. You've had the opportunity to read the facts and the education to be able to analyse them, yet you have consistently chosen not to.”
“The education?” exclaimed Sacha. “Hah! My science education was terrible. None of my teachers could explain anything properly.”
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Sacha pouted.
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He pressed a couple more buttons.
“What?” said Sacha, hearing his sharp intake of breath.
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“What's the matter with that? I'm not.”
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“Because... Well...”
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Sacha fumbled for her handbag.
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Sacha gazed at him.
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Sacha stood up.
“Willow, Gregory. We're going home,” she glared at James. “That is if I'm still allowed to drive? You don't have something against women drivers as well do you, Doctor?”
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Sacha muttered something under her breath.
“What's in the injection?” said James. “You know, you start asking questions like that, you might get science back...”
Originally posted by sonhouse🙄 Whatever.
One huge argument against the flood story, or the Noah Ark thing: With such a small population, modern genetic analysis can figure out when the last change happened, how diverse a gene pool a particular species has and so forth. If the Ark myth was true, there would be a very small genetic diversity of animals and we know most animal populations have a very ...[text shortened]... ome dumb argument they think refutes that but that is what they do, come up with dumb arguments.