What does the Abrahamic God want above all?

@kellyjay said
Strife can produce malice and hate and when that happens it can get ugly fast.

This was KellyJay's quote and he was not referring to Christians.

All this 'piling on' is ridiculous.

@suzianne said
Those quotes by KJ were not referring to Christians.

More classic twisting of words by you.

I did clarify with Kelly if that also included people who had been transformed by the spirit (so Christians) and he replied, 'it is possible some will continue act contrary, but in Christ, the Lord is still doing a work.'

I struggle with the idea that a person transformed by receiving the holy spirit would continue to be filled with malice and hate. (Kelly didn't specify though if the friend he was talking about was a Christian or not).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I did clarify with Kelly if that also included people who had been transformed by the spirit (so Christians) and he replied, 'it is possible some will continue act contrary, but in Christ, the Lord is still doing a work.'

I struggle with the idea that a person transformed by receiving the holy spirit would continue to be filled with malice and hate. (Kelly didn't specify though if the friend he was talking about was a Christian or not).

There are always two possibilities in something like that too, the first I shared, getting right with God is a work of God, requiring God. Saying you are right with God does not make you right with God if you are without God.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
What I think is that the transformation of receiving the holy spirit is clearly greatly exaggerated. Yes, the individual Christian has to work with the spirit and will not immediately become angelical in their behaviour, but the idea that God dwells inside a Christian and yet they continue to be filled with malice and hate is an oxymoron.

I cannot argue against your point I agree, with you, there are several warnings in scripture about such things. The promises of God and the warnings are given to us and we are to walk out our lives in the light of them. Sometimes we don't see the sinfulness of our hearts until we are confronted with those scenarios when we realize what we are, which requires repentance. Becoming right with God isn't a single event in our lives where we say a magic prayer and that is all that is required of our lives. We have given Him everything about us, we are His forever, and it is a lifelong commitment.

Many people start well enough and their hearts become hardened over time and they walk away. They can choose the hate they feel over the love we are to walk in, sin over obedience, walking in darkness over the light. We are to love God and each other, and the world, our flesh, and the devil can give us several reasons that are justifiable according to the world not to do both, which can get us even to hate our own being in the end.

Still, some give up their lives over the choices this world offers with next to no information but put Jesus first, knowing and trusting Him. Then others may have libraries they study, services they attend, and conferences they go to learn all they can but don't know Him, they only know about Him, it requires God to be a Christian.

@suzianne said
Those quotes by KJ were not referring to Christians.

His words were directed at rajk999 who is a professed follower of the words of Jesus Christ. One doesn’t get more “Christian” than that.

@suzianne said
This was KellyJay's quote and he was not referring to Christians.

All this 'piling on' is ridiculous.

You are a ridiculously confused Christian.

@fmf said
I'm your fellow man. Do you love me? If so, how do you demonstrate it?

I do you little tard your eyes are just so full of hate the darkness stops the light from coming through.

@mike69 said
I do you little tard your eyes are just so full of hate the darkness stops the light from coming through.

Thanks for the banter.

@fmf said
Thanks for the banter.

See what I’m saying, there is no one I have bad wishes towards.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I did clarify with Kelly if that also included people who had been transformed by the spirit (so Christians) and he replied, 'it is possible some will continue act contrary, but in Christ, the Lord is still doing a work.'

I struggle with the idea that a person transformed by receiving the holy spirit would continue to be filled with malice and hate. (Kelly didn't specify though if the friend he was talking about was a Christian or not).

I feel that some are not transformed by believing in Jesus. It's not an "end all, be all". I know Christians who give it lots of words, but they don't appear to believe in it in their hearts. The Christian experience is not the same for everyone. Some take longer to truly grow in Christ. Some never do.

@divegeester said
His words were directed at rajk999 who is a professed follower of the words of Jesus Christ. One doesn’t get more “Christian” than that.

Your feelings aside, he was not referring to all Christians. Maybe "some Christians". He was not describing Christians specifically. He was speaking in generalities. Is your mind so geared towards personal attacks that that's all you see?

@divegeester said
His words were directed at rajk999 who is a professed follower of the words of Jesus Christ. One doesn’t get more “Christian” than that.

And, btw, one easily gets more Christian than "professed". If one doesn't live it, then professing words means nothing.

@suzianne said
Your feelings aside, he was not referring to all Christians. Maybe "some Christians". He was not describing Christians specifically. He was speaking in generalities. Is your mind so geared towards personal attacks that that's all you see?

His words were directed at rajk999 who is a professed follower of the words of Jesus Christ. One doesn’t get more “Christian” than that.

Perhaps kellyjay himself will confirm one way or another, let’s wait and see.

@suzianne said
And, btw, one easily gets more Christian than "professed". If one doesn't live it, then professing words means nothing.

All people can do on an internet forum board is “profess” various things.

@divegeester said
All people can do on an internet forum board is “profess” various things.

Do you consider yourself a Christian? Also do you consider yourself to be a good and giving Christian? 🙂

-VR