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13 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsYou don't listen to what anyone says do you.
I can't speak for all Christians, but personally I do fear the Almighty God.
But I also believe He loves me.
P.S. Read the Holy Bible and pay close attention to fulfilled prophecies.
Read some commentaries about these prophecies and how they were
fulfilled. Then make up your mind to believe or not after obtaining as
much knowledge on the subject as you can.
First what about the 'unfulfilled prophecies' the ones the Jews (with exactly the same old testament) say mean JC
wasn't the messiah.
Plus, and I have told you this before...
The people writing the new testament KNEW the prophecies in the old testament.
Which means they had the ability and opportunity to adjust the stories (or simply make them up) to fit the prophecies
as they saw fit.
Also JC himself (assuming he existed) would have known the prophecies and thus could have moulded his life to fit them
as much as was possible.
Now I can't prove that this is what happened, but neither can you prove it didn't, and as people lying and making stuff up
is infinitely more plausible than these 'miracles' actually happening the 'fulfilled prophecies' are not evidence of anything.
You know this because I have told you and the logic in the argument is irrefutable.
So why do you still trot out the prophecies as evidence, when you must know they are not?
13 Oct 11
Originally posted by josephwEr... ok. So when you say 'life' you actually mean 'afterlife'? And when you said "What if you came to your senses and realised the absurdity of a life that ends in death? " you were referring to the absurdity of an afterlife which ends in death?
Apparently no one understands what I mean when I say "life".
Everyone knows the material body dies. Everyone has the freedom to choose to believe whether or not they will have "life" after the body dies.
I know I will.
Sorry, still not following you. Are you sure you're using 'absurd' to mean absurd?
13 Oct 11
Originally posted by googlefudgeIt was once thought that the unfulfilled prophecies about Israel could not
You don't listen to what anyone says do you.
First what about the 'unfulfilled prophecies' the ones the Jews (with exactly the same old testament) say mean JC
wasn't the messiah.
Plus, and I have told you this before...
The people writing the new testament KNEW the prophecies in the old testament.
Which means they had the ability and opportun ...[text shortened]... why do you still trot out the prophecies as evidence, when you must know they are not?
be fulfilled because there was no nation of Israel. However, against all
odds the nation of israel was created in a day, which in itself fulfilled a
prophecy. So just wait.
14 Oct 11
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Originally posted by karoly aczelNo, I thought it had something to do with a spiritual matter.
Okay,let's just back up. You did know that mikelom was referring to the Beatles, right?
😕 ... 🙂 ( 😕 )
P.S. I didn't realize he confused any of the apostles with the
Beetles. And I don't remember seeing a smiley face.
15 Oct 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI'm not talking about before, during or afterlife.
Er... ok. So when you say 'life' you actually mean 'afterlife'? And when you said "What if you came to your senses and realised the absurdity of a life that ends in death? " you were referring to the absurdity of an afterlife which ends in death?
Sorry, still not following you. Are you sure you're using 'absurd' to mean absurd?
I'm talking about life. The opposite of death. Not physical death either.
When we die physically, we will either have life or death.
If one believes that when one dies they cease to exist, then that is what one will get. We call it death. Dead forever. Worse than hell if you ask me.
But one can believe and have eternal life right now. There is only one person offering eternal life to the one who believes in the one offering eternal life.
You know who that is.
17 Oct 11
Originally posted by josephwOk, well let's just back that up a bit then. Your original post was thus:
I'm not talking about before, during or afterlife.
I'm talking about life. The opposite of death. Not physical death either.
When we die physically, we will either have life or death.
If one believes that when one dies they cease to exist, then that is what one will get. We call it death. Dead forever. Worse than hell if you ask me.
But one can ...[text shortened]... ternal life to the one who believes in the one offering eternal life.
You know who that is.
What if you came to your senses and realised the absurdity of a life that ends in death?
What if it's true that one could live forever, but that, like everything else, it isn't by accident?
We can all look around and see that, as far as we are able to discern, all life ends in death. I restate my original question:
How can you categorise the apparent nature of reality as absurd?
17 Oct 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecatHe is speaking spiritually and you are thinking naturally.
Ok, well let's just back that up a bit then. Your original post was thus:
What if you came to your senses and realised the absurdity of a life that ends in death?
What if it's true that one could live forever, but that, like everything else, it isn't by accident?
We can all look around and see that, as far as we are able to d ...[text shortened]... ate my original question:
How can you categorise the apparent nature of reality as absurd?
There will be no connection or understanding there.
You are thinking like Nicodemus, who when talking to Yahshua (Jesus) is
thinking of natural thinks rather than spiritual things. (John 3:1-21)
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You
are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do
unless God is with him.”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is
born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he
enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water
and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of
the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel
that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows where it wishes,
and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where
it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”
Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not
know these things? Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know
and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. If I
have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I
tell you heavenly things? No one has ascended to heaven but He who came
down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. And as Moses
lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted
up, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. For
God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever
believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. For God did not
send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through
Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who
does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the
name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that
the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light,
because their deeds were evil. For everyone practicing evil hates the light
and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. But he
who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen,
that they have been done in God.”
18 Oct 11
Originally posted by RJHindsNo point in quoting scripture at me, I'm not interested in it.
He is speaking spiritually and you are thinking naturally.
There will be no connection or understanding there.
You are thinking like Nicodemus, who when talking to Yahshua (Jesus) is
thinking of natural thinks rather than spiritual things. (John 3:1-21)
There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
This man came to Jesus by n ...[text shortened]... truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen,
that they have been done in God.”
For the third and final time, the sentence stated was:
What if you came to your senses and realised the absurdity of a life that ends in death?
It clearly states that SOMEBODY feels that a LIFE WHICH ENDS IN DEATH is ABSURD. How, I ask one last time, is it possible to view the apparent nature of reality as absurd? What possible definition of 'absurd' allows this sentence to make any sense at all?
19 Oct 11
Originally posted by avalanchethecathttp://www.lightparty.com/Spirituality/AbsurdIdeaOfDeath.html
No point in quoting scripture at me, I'm not interested in it.
For the third and final time, the sentence stated was:
[b]What if you came to your senses and realised the absurdity of a life that ends in death?
It clearly states that SOMEBODY feels that a LIFE WHICH ENDS IN DEATH is ABSURD. How, I ask one last time, is it possible to vie ...[text shortened]... s absurd? What possible definition of 'absurd' allows this sentence to make any sense at all?[/b]