What's the cause...

Originally posted by josephw
It was a generalised statement and not meant to be taken personally. By its nature spirituality is highly subjective, so people naturally express their own views.

I think we would get further along if we could be more objective.

Spirituality is subjective and we ought to be more objective. So are you arguing for less spirituality then? (I am just clarifying).

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Within all human souls from birth. We all want and need to be loved and take unkindly to rejection: 'There's a hole in the heart of man in the shape of God.

a need for tribal acceptance is a social trait shared by all social animals, from humans down to ants. it allows for the survival of the social species. this is not a god-shaped hole. in humans, it's "filled" by other humans or their pets.

If I believe in the risen Christ and it's just an artful falsehood, there is nothing to lose. If true, then I have everything to gain.' -Pascal (1623-1662)

tired, old, broken.

Originally posted by FMF
Doubt is healthy and the human capacity for it is beneficial; it has underpinned much of our progress and our ability to reason, solve problems and find solutions.

For you to say "there is definitely no short supply of doubt expressed in this forum" directly contradicts what you said on page 1 of this thread: "Everyone thinks they know all the answers...".
th; it is an absolutely vital complement to faith if we are to retain our humanity.

You use my name in vain to help put forth your lies. Where did I ever say I am
without doubt? My doubt makes me search the scriptures to verify the truth.
HalleluYah !!! 😏

Originally posted by finnegan

As described by you this sounds more like a Mummy shaped hole and a reflection of the fact that humans are social animals. It is a matter of survival for each infant to quickly and securely obtain acceptance from others, being totally dependent for many years and incapable of autonomous life. Attachment Theory - derived from a lot of research initiatied by ...[text shortened]... nt.[/b] He tells us a lot about ourselves as a species and little about anything transcendental.[/b]

"God is a fantasy onto which we project our ideal parent."

Your aurthoritative source?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]What's the cause of this forum becoming predictable and dreary?


Any insights?


gb[/b]

Because.............

We have false science and false region battling each other to the death with nothing of any worth to say, accept for speculation and fabrication.

However true religion with its volumes and volumes of true knowledge is discarded by the way side.

As soon as you tap into the absolute truths of Vedic wisdom you will have wonderful discussions for eternity.

Originally posted by finnegan
Spirituality is subjective and we ought to be more objective. So are you arguing for less spirituality then? (I am just clarifying).

True spirituality is both subjective and objective.

Both are necessary and cannot be avoided.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You use my name in vain to help put forth your lies. Where did I ever say I am
without doubt?

What I said was that it is 'faith without doubt' that makes you say that you would kill someone if you reckoned God had told you to do it. As for what doubt you may or may not have in other matters, I said nothing about that.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Sounds as if your vision is becoming impaired or that you've lapsed into denial.

Last time I lapsed in de Nile, I almost got attacked by a hippo🙂

Originally posted by josephw
Doubt is the opposite of faith, and there is definitely [b]no short supply of doubt expressed in this forum.[/b]

Doubt is not the opposite of faith, disbelief is the opposite of faith, you have to have a better metric going for this, Doubt, is is in between faith and disbelief or nonbelief. In fact it looks to me like a spectrum from non-belief, to disbelief, to doubt, to faith on the other end of that spectrum.

Originally posted by sonhouse
Last time I lapsed in de Nile, I almost got attacked by a hippo🙂

lol

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"God is a fantasy onto which we project our ideal parent."

Your aurthoritative source?[/b]

There is no question that people believe in God and have believed in many variants on that concept. The fact we have to account for is not God but human beliefs about God.

As long ago as the Greeks, it was observed that if we were dogs our gods would be dogs, for a giraffe the gods would be giraffes. Anthropology has shown how closely religion is tied into the political, economic and kinship systems of any social group.

William James showed, in The Varieties of Religious Experience, how systematically religious experience reflects a psychological process and how little this has to do with reasoning things out or indeed with belief systems.

Attachment Theory is from a rich seam of psychological research going back to the Second World War and has coalesced with independent lines of thinking from several styles of psychotherapy.

Oh I could carry on. What would be the point in the present company?

I will just say that if the cap fits you should wear it.

Originally posted by FMF
Doubt is healthy and the human capacity for it is beneficial; it has underpinned much of our progress and our ability to reason, solve problems and find solutions.

For you to say "there is definitely no short supply of doubt expressed in this forum" directly contradicts what you said on page 1 of this thread: "Everyone thinks they know all the answers...".
...[text shortened]... th; it is an absolutely vital complement to faith if we are to retain our humanity.

"I would say that you've fallen victim to your apparent tendency to simply reel off the first statement that comes off the top of your head, regardless of whether it makes much sense or whether it is compatible with something you reeled off earlier."

True. That I do. But it may be that the line of thought I had wasn't in sync with the context of the topic I was addressing, so I replied thus. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I'll try to be more careful next time.

"Doubt is not the opposite of faith; it is an absolutely vital complement to faith if we are to retain our humanity."

In a sense you are correct. I would not argue with that reasoning.

But here's the problem. Our humanity is defected. Doubt is a necessary evil it seems in this world "humanity" has built.

But there is no room for doubt when it comes to faith as it relates to the truths of God. That is the faith I was referring to in the previous post.

Originally posted by josephw
.... But there is no room for doubt when it comes to faith as it relates to the truths of God. That is the faith I was referring to in the previous post.

And this is again what is wrong with believing anything on faith.

Believing claims without evidence and allowing no doubt as to the truth or veracity of those
claims is inherently dangerous and divisive.

Those that flew the planes into the twin towers would have agreed with you that there is
no room for doubt in their faith.

What does that tell you about the need for ideas and positions to be questionable?

What does that tell you about the need for doubt?

Originally posted by sonhouse
Doubt is not the opposite of faith, disbelief is the opposite of faith, you have to have a better metric going for this, Doubt, is is in between faith and disbelief or nonbelief. In fact it looks to me like a spectrum from non-belief, to disbelief, to doubt, to faith on the other end of that spectrum.

Food for thought. Thank you for posing it that way.

Faith it seems, has different meanings depending on what the application is. If I say I have faith in God, what do I mean? I already believe in God, so faith here isn't about belief. I think then it has more to do with trust.

Faith too it seems, always has an object. Depending on whether that object is true or not determines the value of that faith.

Faith is not blind unless it's object is false.

Originally posted by googlefudge
And this is again what is wrong with believing anything on faith.

Believing claims without evidence and allowing no doubt as to the truth or veracity of those
claims is inherently dangerous and divisive.

Those that flew the planes into the twin towers would have agreed with you that there is
no room for doubt in their faith.

What does that t ...[text shortened]... for ideas and positions to be questionable?

What does that tell you about the need for doubt?

"And this is again what is wrong with believing anything on faith."

The rest of your post is predicated on this false assumption, so I will only reply to it.

You do not understand what faith is if you think it is believing without evidence. That idea is a blatant misrepresentation of what faith is. With that idea of faith in ones' mind it is difficult to grasp faith's true meaning and purpose.