What's the point of heaven?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
but if god has put death in place to save us from sin - and you love god - and you hate sin, especially your own.....wouldnt death be a welcome relief? why would you want to live doing the things that you know hurts the one you love most???

I believe God works out everything for our good, evil and its byproducts are
part of that. Death is called an enemy, the last one to be defeated if I recall
correctly. Death separates us from loved ones, it isn't welcome in my
opinion I hate it more than most things since I've lost loved ones. Sin is our
living life in a manner that does not keep with loving God and others, it is us
doing what we do in a more selfish manner. It would be better to love and
live than die.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe God works out everything for our good, evil and its byproducts are
part of that. Death is called an enemy, the last one to be defeated if I recall
correctly. Death separates us from loved ones, it isn't welcome in my
opinion I hate it more than most things since I've lost loved ones. Sin is our
living life in a manner that does not keep with l ...[text shortened]... is us
doing what we do in a more selfish manner. It would be better to love and
live than die.

Ageing make death inevitable, it's not out of place for the old and those that remain cherish their memories. It's when death takes people before their time that it's the enemy.

Originally posted by josephw
Are you going to measure time in eternity? Will you? IDK!

Here and now we measure time. We use it as a reference for grasping the concept of eternity, but when our time is up here and we go to the hereafter there won't be any need for time as far as I can tell right now. 😉

Precisely. In lieu of time in both eternity past and eternity future is God's Omniscience and Perfect Plan, from the angelic creation up to the Great White Throne Judgment and beyond what is revealed within the pages of the Word of God.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Ageing make death inevitable, it's not out of place for the old and those that remain cherish their memories. It's when death takes people before their time that it's the enemy.

I believe death was never meant to be inevitable, but it is now. I'm not sure
what before their time means. Having lost one that was 13 days past her
first birthday that I know none of us are promised tomorrow, each day is a
gift for everyone of us.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe death was never meant to be inevitable, but it is now.

Do you believe that there was originally a plan for humans to be immortal here on earth and for there to be no afterlife?

Originally posted by KellyJay
I believe God works out everything for our good, evil and its byproducts are
part of that. Death is called an enemy, the last one to be defeated if I recall
correctly. Death separates us from loved ones, it isn't welcome in my
opinion I hate it more than most things since I've lost loved ones. Sin is our
living life in a manner that does not keep with l ...[text shortened]... is us
doing what we do in a more selfish manner. It would be better to love and
live than die.

you said earlier that death saves us from our sinful nature. you saying that you do not welcome death appears to suggest you prefer a life of sinful nature over that what your god has put in place to save you from it? in fact you even say you hate death, is it wrong to hate something that god approves of, especially as it something hes put in place to save you from doing things that hurt him?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
you said earlier that death saves us from our sinful nature. you saying that you do not welcome death appears to suggest you prefer a life of sinful nature over that what your god has put in place to save you from it? in fact you even say you hate death, is it wrong to hate something that god approves of, especially as it something hes put in place to save you from doing things that hurt him?

Yes, I hate death because it takes away from us those that we love.
I believe it has a purpose, and but it does not mean that I have to like it.
God can do things I dislike, I do things my wife dislikes, it happens.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, I hate death because it takes away from us those that we love.
I believe it has a purpose, and but it does not mean that I have to like it.
God can do things I dislike, I do things my wife dislikes, it happens.

So your imagined heaven is not as good as your life now?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, I hate death because it takes away from us those that we love.
I believe it has a purpose, and but it does not mean that I have to like it.
God can do things I dislike, I do things my wife dislikes, it happens.

you love a life of sin and love the sinners you share it with....but hate the system god has put in place to help save you from this sin?

how can you have a perfect afterlife if god is capable of doing things you dislike? imagine spending eternity with the dude, everything he does would get on your nerves after a few thousand years!!!

Originally posted by stellspalfie
you love a life of sin and love the sinners you share it with....but hate the system god has put in place to help save you from this sin?

how can you have a perfect afterlife if god is capable of doing things you dislike? imagine spending eternity with the dude, everything he does would get on your nerves after a few thousand years!!!

Where did you see me say I love the life of sin?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Where did you see me say I love the life of sin?

maybe im presuming you love life? am i wrong?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
maybe im presuming you love life? am i wrong?

Loving life does not mean I love sin, where did you get that idea?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Loving life does not mean I love sin, where did you get that idea?

but you love a life that is full of sin. there is an alternative god has arranged for you, but you love a life (which includes sin) more than the alternative....so you love a life full of sin.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
but you love a life that is full of sin. there is an alternative god has arranged for you, but you love a life (which includes sin) more than the alternative....so you love a life full of sin.

I can love a shirt and hate the pink color in it, it isn't all or nothing!
I love life, life can have goodness in it too, those parts of the way life
should be! When you see love, self sacrifice, forgiveness, grace, mercy,
and so on those things in my opinion are much greater than sin and make
my life the richer for it.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I can love a shirt and hate the pink color in it, it isn't all or nothing!
I love life, life can have goodness in it too, those parts of the way life
should be! When you see love, self sacrifice, forgiveness, grace, mercy,
and so on those things in my opinion are much greater than sin and make
my life the richer for it.

i understand that you do not love sin. im saying that after weighing up the pro's and con's, you prefer a life full of sin over the alternative.

the alternative is a system, you yourself have said, is one god has put in place to save you from sin.

what you are saying is that this life, with all its sin (the one thing god wants to save you from) is better than what god thinks is best.

this to me would suggest you have big issues with god.