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The Book of Enoch. absolute proof of Aliens from space giving him teachings and wisdom. Not Angels, but Aliens !!!
@instantkarma777 saidAre you kidding?
Ha ha I'd stay out of here if I were you.
I came here once and that was enough for me.
He's one of the reasons once is enough for some people.
@divegeester saidYour position that the three personas of God is one God IS trinitarianism.
Ok, well I think the trinity is a man made ideology which is unsubstantiated in scripture and not even mentioned by name.
If that alone makes me a “Unitarian” then that’s fine by me.
@suzianne saidI don’t hold a position that god is three personas.
Your position that the three personas of God is one God IS trinitarianism.
It’s strange, it’s as though you don’t actually read what people write, almost as though you just come here every so often and scornfully box the ears of those you disapprove of and then wander off to do the same elsewhere.
Weird...
@divegeester
The theory of "Godhead" is almost the exact same as "Trinity".
In both scenarios there is not one God, but 3 entities making one God. Neither belief can truly be understood by men.
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@divegeester saidOver reaction is suspect too.
Possibly, it would depend on what they said.
Just because something is a “poem” doesn’t give it licence to bear false teaching.
Similarly just because your lady church member put it in a song, doesn’t make “fountain of blood” an acceptable terminology.
I said if you don't feel you need to plunge beneath the blood of Jesus as a fountain maybe that is ok for you. Some of us have sinned much and we feel the need to adore the Lord Jesus for His redemption. You don't need to oppose saying "Hey, that's not exactly what the Bible said."
My conscience in this is clear. I'll appreciate the blood of Jesus as a fountain, as tsunami if I have to to shut the mouth of the accuser.
One of the first things we do is to help a new believers realize the power of the blood of Christ. Excuse me ? They overcame him HOW ?
" . . . for the accuser of our brethren has been cast down, who accuses them before our God day and night. And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb . . . " (Rev. 12:10)
The Christians maintain spiritual power by faith in the redeeming blood of Jesus the Lamb of God. If we have to overflow with praise and sing about the blood as a fountain we will do so if it strengthens our faith.
If you are happy just to say "Thank God Jesus poured out His blood and established a new covenant" That is fine. For -
"For this is My blood of the covenant which is being poured out for many for forgiveness of sins." (Matt. 26:28)
Love us if you're more mature then us. But we have ground to just as enthusiastically praise Him for the "an opened fountain . . . for sin and impurity" (Zech. 13:1). And in our joy link it with the word of John seeing blood and water pouring forth from His wounds (John 19:34).
"Five bleeding wounds we see,
Received on Calvary.
They call effectual prayers
They ever speak for me.
Forgive him, oh forgive they cry,
Nor let that ransomed sinner die.
Nor let that ransomed sinner die. "
The blood of Christ is precious. It is no idolatry to sing of its preciousness. We are not talking about superstitious transubstantiation. We are rejoicing in its power by which we overcome (Rev. 12:10) and the preciousness of Christ dying for us.
" . . . you were redeemed from your vain manner of life . . . with the precious blood, as of a Lamb without blemish and without spot, the blood of Christ." (2 Pet. 1:19)
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People, he who is forgiven much loves much. Those forgiven little may love little.
Or maybe they think they don't have much that needs forgiveness.
Divegeester pounces on a poem about "a fountain filled with blood."
Some sinner laden with the guilt of his messed up life and the damage he has wrought on those around him may REJOICE to know that God in Christ has washed away all of his sins in the redemption of Jesus on His cross.
There is no legality that a good person sing with him about the wonderful fountain filled with blood drawn from the veins of Immanuel. Some of us can identify and we sing along.
There is indeed a fountain of forgiveness, a fountain of cleansing, a fountain of purifying, a fountain pardon in the redeeming death of Jesus.
If you want to sing of the blood as being a tsunami to obliterate your guilty sins, this Christian has no objection. i won't say "Hey, THAT'S not in the Bible."
He who is forgiven much loves much. I will understand your appreciation is overflowing.
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It’s strange, it’s as though you don’t actually read what people write, almost as though you just come here every so often and scornfully box the ears of those you disapprove of and then wander off to do the same elsewhere.
Weird...
So why do you do it then?
You do just the same with me for years.
In your case you even bragged that you don't read what I write.
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@divegeester saidYou're probing about official position and organization and "Who'se in charge?"
No, this is what you replied
"You may all prophesy one by one that all may learn and all may be encouraged."
Individual congregational contribution to a meeting is not what I’m asking you, and you know it.
Are you a teaching elder in your church?
The Holy Spirit is in charge.
You assume there is a "front" of the gathering.
How about we meet in a circle?
How about we meet like Quakers do, all having the right to teach.
How about we meet something like an AA meeting?
How about we meet like those doing Jury Duty?
I'm elder to somebody.
If I lead my neighbor to Jesus today, I am certainly elder to that person.
You want to know all about organization.
I think I'll leave it as it was said.
"Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another . . . " (Col. 3:16)
Better check me. I'm going by memory. I sing this verse.
@chaney3 saidNo it isn’t.
@divegeester
The theory of "Godhead" is almost the exact same as "Trinity".
In both scenarios there is not one God, but 3 entities making one God. Neither belief can truly be understood by men.
No, God isn’t.
They can to the extent of determining which is error.
@sonship saidI’m asking if you are an elder or official leader of any sort in your own church.
You're probing about official position and organization and "Who'se in charge?"
The Holy Spirit is in charge.
You assume there is a "front" of the gathering.
How about we meet in a circle?
How about we meet like Quakers do, all having the right to teach.
How about we meet something like an AA meeting?
How about we meet like those doing Jury Duty?
I'm elder to s ...[text shortened]... ing one another . . . " (Col. 3:16) [/b]
Better check me. I'm going by memory. I sing this verse.
Are you?
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Though we may say "Jesus flowing" is not an expression used in the Bible it can be used. Why?
It is a good expression because the nature of the grace of Christ with a man's being is so spontaneous and smooth. "Flow" is a good word to capture this.
Grace rather than struggle it is a flow. It is like the power steering of an automobile. If you just turn the wheel in the right direction the power steering system "flows" along with your effort.
This is not a bad illustration. Imagine a car with power steering. Yet the power steering only works when you drive on the right roads going to the right places. Now if you want to go your own way you have to struggle and strive and exert all kinds of effort. The power steering will not go along to cooperate.
I mean you can go there is you want. But the co-power operates when you drive the right roads.
This is like the grace of Christ flowing through your being. To live in the old way gradually dries up. And to walk in the newness of life becomes the enjoyment, the righteousness, and the normal way. Even the way that make you happiest it is.
It is also the straightest way. I had a saying once "The straightest distance between two points is Jesus Christ." lol. Its true.
So the grace of Christ empowers as you walk as His way for you to walk you go.
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I like this. "The shortest distance between two points is Jesus Christ."
When you receive Christ (that is an expression in the Bible) and you walk by the Spirit (another expression in the Bible) you feel you are truly going STRAIGHT. Its the best way. Then you see how crooked your life and walk has been in the past without Jesus.
Jesus is the universe's straight walker. Now that is not in the Bible maybe. But the Scripture says "make straight paths".
That's walk one with God. In fact when we receive Jesus and learn to walk according to the Spirit of Christ we do make straight paths for ourselves. And we even heal our lame lives. This is expressed well in Hebrews 12.
"Therefore set straight the hands which hang down and the paralyzed knees, And make straight paths for your feet, that what is lame may not be put out of joint but rather may be healed." (Hebrews 12:12,13)
To receive Christ and learn by practice and patient to walk step by step by the Spirit of Christ is healing. It is to cause what is lame to be healed. And what droops down is straightened up.
And He so co-mingles and intertwines with our emotion, mind, and will that the spontaneity of living with Jesus is as a flowing of God's life with our life.
What a salvation. That is to be able to take Christ and apply Christ and allow Christ to live in our living. What a salvation this is.
@sonship saidIf you’re not even a leader in your own church, then why should anyone outside of your church pay the slightest bit of interest in your pontifications?
Though we may say "Jesus flowing" is not an expression used in the Bible it can be used. Why?
It is a good expression because the nature of the grace of Christ with a man's being is so spontaneous and smooth. "Flow" is a good word to capture this.
Grace rather than struggle it is a flow. It is like the power steering of an automobile. If you just turn the wheel in ...[text shortened]... lol. Its true.
So the grace of Christ empowers as you walk as His way for you to walk you go.