Where do you put your Faith?

Originally posted by divegeester
not altruism then... 😛

Yes, not altruism.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Faith without works is dead. So good works should be the natural outflow of your faith. But the works themselves don't save you.

And if the natural outflow that we see on this forum is a vomit of nonsense, can we conclude that no faith is had?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So this is just fun and games for you? Do you not think this discussion is important? Do you have anything worthwhile that you would like to contribute?

Being told off by you reminds me of when I pretend to be contrite when my 14 year old autistic nephew tells me off for moving his toys.

Originally posted by twhitehead
And if the natural outflow that we see on this forum is a vomit of nonsense, can we conclude that no faith is had?

What exactly has been said here that you would describe as a vomit of nonsense?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Matt 5, 6 and 7 are a good place to start. Jesus speaks of all those who are blessed and who will enter the Kingdom. Matt 25 tells exactly how he will judge people.All of his rules revolve around showing love and compassion to those in need. The Good Samaritan, Lazarus and the Rich Man, similarly speaks of the same thing.

The Apostles say all the law can ...[text shortened]... g righteously otherwise the Chrristian who professes faith will not get into the Kingdom of God.

So if we are capable of following all the commandments of Christ what was the purpose of his death on the cross?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So if we are capable of following all the commandments of Christ what was the purpose of his death on the cross?

If people are not capable of following all the commandments of Christ, which is what you seem to imply, then why did Christ say to do them. Are you saying that He is unreasonable?

As for your death on the cross question, I answered that more than once already and I wont be repeating it

Originally posted by Rajk999
If people are not capable of following all the commandments of Christ, which is what you seem to imply, then why did Christ say to do them. Are you saying that He is unreasonable?

As for your death on the cross question, I answered that more than once already and I wont be repeating it

Why does God permit such an inability in man to keep the law?

He does it: (1) To humble us. Man is a self-exalting creature; and if he has but anything of worth, he is ready to be puffed up; but when he comes to see his deficiencies and failings, and how far short he comes of the holiness and perfection which God's law requires, it pulls down the plumes of his pride, and lays them in the dust; he weeps over his inability; he blushes over his leprous spots; he says with Job, I abhor myself in dust and ashes.' (2) God lets this inability be upon us, that we may have recourse to Christ to obtain pardon for our defects, and to sprinkle our best duties with his blood. When a man sees that he owes perfect obedience to the law, but has nothing to pay, it makes him flee to Christ to be his friend, and answer for him all the demands of the law, and set him free in the court of justice.

http://biblehub.com/library/watson/the_ten_commandments/3_1_mans_inability_to_keep.htm

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
What exactly has been said here that you would describe as a vomit of nonsense?

About half of your posts.

Originally posted by twhitehead
About half of your posts.

Whatever you say.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Whatever you say.

That post is in that half.

Originally posted by twhitehead
That post is in that half.

If you say so, Twhitehead.

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Why does God permit such an inability in man to keep the law?

He does it: (1) To humble us. Man is a self-exalting creature; and if he has but anything of worth, he is ready to be puffed up; but when he comes to see his deficiencies and failings, and how far short he comes of the holiness and perfection which God's law requires, it pulls down the plum ...[text shortened]... stice.

http://biblehub.com/library/watson/the_ten_commandments/3_1_mans_inability_to_keep.htm

I do not get my doctrine from websites or churches or pastors etc. I notice you do that. I also notice [like this thread] that you place your trust in churches and the teachings of men.

In the opening post you said ... follow the rules of my church and that my 'good works' and legalism could save me. Now I believe that even my best efforts cannot save me. My only hope is to put my faith in what Jesus did for me on the cross.

So
- So the church told you that you have to follow their rules and you believed them.
- The church also told you that you have to put your faith in what Jesus did for you on the cross.
- A website explains the doctrine of the Bible for you.
- A website recently told you that people go to heaven and when i confronted for biblical support you just disappeared from that thread,
{I can bet you any money that you would find nowhere that Jesus Christ said any of the above]

Maybe you might want to consider getting your doctrine from the mouth of Christ instead of criticizing the commandments of Christ as being legalistic and other derogatory expressions. Its the safest and surest pathway into the Kingdom of God.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Good works is not necessarily the natural outflow of faith. It sometimes is and sometimes it is not. Hence the reason why James and many other Apostles took the trouble to explain it. If it were the natural outflow as you claim then there would no need to explain it and expound on the importance of doing good works.

If you believe, if your faith is to act a specific way than it will lead you to the natural outcome
your faith takes you. The reason the Apostles spent time talking about it was because with
some they would claim one thing but the natural outcome wasn't there revealing they were
indeed missing something.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you believe, if your faith is to act a specific way than it will lead you to the natural outcome
your faith takes you. The reason the Apostles spent time talking about it was because with
some they would claim one thing but the natural outcome wasn't there revealing they were
indeed missing something.

You need to write so that people can understand. I have no clue what you wrote there.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I do not get my doctrine from websites or churches or pastors etc. I notice you do that. I also notice [like this thread] that you place your trust in churches and the teachings of men.

In the opening post you said [i]... follow the rules of my church and that my 'good works' and legalism could save me. Now I believe that even my best efforts cannot save ...[text shortened]... ic and other derogatory expressions. Its the safest and surest pathway into the Kingdom of God.

So do you believe only the red letters in your Bible are inspired by God? Or is the entire Bible divinely inspired? With 'legalism' I meant following man made laws of my church that weren't even written in the Bible. Of course I believe we should strive to follow the commands of Christ. But that is not what saves us. If it did, then his death on the cross is meaningless.