30 Mar 06
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Originally posted by RBHILLWrong again RB.
Their are so many verse taht Jesus says about a relatioship with God.
Like I in he and stuff like that. or Rev. 3:20
Rev 3:20 reads, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me."
Only a utterly literal reading could possible give the meaning you try to wrest from this passage. Context clearly shows this is a metaphor not a literal passage. Jesus doesn't literally knock on your damn door and eat all your food.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by RBHILL
And was Adam and Eve in a Religion or a Relationship?
Clearly God made them so flawed that even being in their immediate presence they
didn't get it. And yet you have the audacity to think that, 1900 years after Jesus
has bodily left this earth, your cult has the answers.
It's laughable.
I know by Fact for what the Word of God says. I know by experence too.
Actually, you repeatedly demonstrate profound and willful ignorance of what the
Bible says.
Nemesio
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by Nemesiowhy do you refer to RB as being in a cult? what reasons do you have?
Originally posted by RBHILL
[b]And was Adam and Eve in a Religion or a Relationship?
Clearly God made them so flawed that even being in their immediate presence they
didn't get it. And yet you have the audacity to think that, 1900 years after Jesus
has bodily left this earth, your cult has the answers.
It's laughable.
I know by Fac ...[text shortened]... you repeatedly demonstrate profound and willful ignorance of what the
Bible says.
Nemesio
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by buckkyAs expected the discussion quickly descends into claims by each one that thier beliefs are the most correct (and closest to the Bible). Including claims that all Christians agree on some central statements (false) and others implying that many of the denominations are actually not Christian, or refering to denominations as religions or cults.
Which one of the many Christian Denominations has the correct Truth ? Why so many ? Is there confusion in the Christian faith ?
None of the Christians seem to be answering the two questions relating to why.
If the Bible is Gods word, then why is it so hard to understand (decoder ring required) and why do so many people claim to understand it but each have a different interpretation. Is only one person completely correct or are all wrong about something? If so many people have a 'personal relationship with God' why are those relationships so different?
How many are faking it? How many are believing half heartedly? Many Christians I know dont act like they really belive what they are saying and some have admited to faking some of thier actions / beliefs in order to gain acceptance / friends etc.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by twhiteheadThe Bible is a difficult book to read and understand in its entirety. But you do not need to read or fully understand it unless you want to be a Bible scholar. Christ made it very simple and abundantly clear what criteria he was going to use to judge. Churches, denominations, correctness, personal relationship with Christ .... is not going to count. Read the first 4 books of the NT for yourself and see how easy and simple it is.
As expected the discussion quickly descends into claims by each one that thier beliefs are the most correct (and closest to the Bible). Including claims that all Christians agree on some central statements (false) and others implying that many of the denominations are actually not Christian, or refering to denominations as religions or cults.
None of t ...[text shortened]... e admited to faking some of thier actions / beliefs in order to gain acceptance / friends etc.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by Rajk999Your radical idea will render the current political regime of the religious right untenable. No thanks. Better to stick with hopscotch and other forms of scripture twisting through Paul's epistles, and with literalist readings of Genesis and Revelation.
Read the first 4 books of the NT for yourself and see how easy and simple it is.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by buckkyWho knows the mind of God? Who has all the answers? Those that say they know are liars. There is a God, however, and there are awnsers. God gave us his living word in order to know the truth, hence all of the religions that point to the Bible. Which religion then has all the awnsers and knows all there is to know about the mind of God?
Which one of the many Christian Denominations has the correct Truth ? Why so many ? Is there confusion in the Christian faith ?
The religions I steer clear of are the ones that on the one hand embrace the Bible and on the other hand say it has been tampered with. They then write their own Bible as the primary text in which they study. Then they peicemeal texts from the Bible that fits their twisted theology. This forms what is referred to as a cult such as JW's, Mormons, Scientologists, and Muslims to name a few. Ususally there is NO decent in such religious organizations and they are ruled with an iron fist. Islam perhaps could be considered an exception to the rule as it has branched off into other sects. The focus of such organizations is the organization. God comes a distant second.
For me the various denominations and cults that embrace the Bible shows that #1 the Bible is the truth and #2 man is fallible and does not always understand or percieve the message that was intended. This in no way means that man is unable to know the truth and that the truth is not worthy of being sought after. In fact, the word of God says that he is more interested in your will to know him and pursue him than he is in your knowing all there is to know about him. He is only interested in your desire to know him. Relationship is all that matter to God and all that matter to us as well. We also want those that we love to pursue us and enjoy being with us as well. We are, after all, created in his image.
30 Mar 06
Originally posted by WulebgrExactly, the teachings of Christ was too simple for many people to swallow. For some reason people/churches love the complicated analysis and interpretation of the Bible .. maybe it makes them feel religious and righteous.
Your radical idea will render the current political regime of the religious right untenable. No thanks. Better to stick with hopscotch and other forms of scripture twisting through Paul's epistles, and with literalist readings of Genesis and Revelation.
Feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, assisting the unfortunate, visiting the sick and giving generously and unselfishly of your time and money are the virtues Christ will reward.