Romans 9
It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.”[b] 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring. 9 For this was how the promise was stated: “At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son.”[c]
10 Not only that, but Rebekah’s children were conceived at the same time by our father Isaac. 11 Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God’s purpose in election might stand: 12 not by works but by him who calls—she was told, “The older will serve the younger.”[d] 13 Just as it is written: “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”[e]
14 What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all! 15 For he says to Moses,
“I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.”[f]
16 It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy. 17 For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.”[g] 18 Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.
Originally posted by @proper-knobhttps://www.gotquestions.org/Isaiah-45-7.html
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterI don't know. Why do you think it matters?
In your view, considering the scripture above, and all the other wafflly stuff so far...did God create evil?
Originally posted by @dj2beckerRead what I quoted from Romans. God hardened Pharaoh's heart. God chose Pharaoh's path.
Since we were created with a free will we were created with a capacity for evil. Evil is the consequence of the choices we make.
"Evil" is a concept; it is not "created" any more than a mathematical equation is. What gets created, as DJ2B pointed out, are beings with a capacity to do evil.
I do not think it's necessarily limited to humans. Some of the more intelligent animals seem to have a rudimentary moral sense, which means they are capable of certain evils.
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Originally posted by @dj2beckerWhy do you think it doesn't?
I don't know. Why do you think it matters?
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Originally posted by @rajk999You crow about your superior mastery of the English language yet it seems en elementary concept has gone right over your head.
English Comprehension .. go get a course in it.
What God IS
Is a different question from
What God CREATED.
Got it?
God created everything including evil and darkness.
But there is NO EVIL AND DARKNESS IN GOD.
This is the reason why people like you cannot participate properly in a discussion. .. your ability to understand the English Language is dismal.
1. God is good and evil is the absence of good.
2. God has always existed.
3. Therefore good and the absence of good have always existed.
Originally posted by @dj2beckerFreewill? An omnipotent god knows the future! It would seem we have no choice!
Since we were created with a free will we were created with a capacity for evil. Evil is the consequence of the choices we make.
Originally posted by @rajk999Again, the term "darkness" designates an absence of light. By itself it does not exist. In scientific terms, it does not exist.
Who asked you to measure anything.
Is Isaiah right or are you?
I would go with Isaiah.
But to say that there is darkness is not "wrong" per say if being discussed in laymans terms, it simply is an expression to denote an absence of light.
Originally posted by @divegeesterIf there is only darkness then there is no creation.
Isaiah 45:7
"I (God) form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, [b]and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."[/b]
If you create light then darkness can be distinguished from the light and the rest of creation. That is what I think is trying to be conveyed in the verse.
Read Genesis. Before creation there was only darkness and void. It was not created
Originally posted by @whodeyThe bible said God created darkness.
If there is only darkness then there is no creation.
If you create light then darkness can be distinguished from the light and the rest of creation. That is what I think is trying to be conveyed in the verse.
Read Genesis. Before creation there was only darkness and void. It was not created
So say the opposite
Who is right