Why are Christians so secretive ?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
As stated before, I would very much like to believe in God. If sufficient evidence comes along, I'll happily change my mind.

The whole universe isn't enough?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I guess you missed the part sir when i said 'already discounted.' My studies were not motivated by a search for God, so it is not surprising I missed Him. (I had come to the conclusion God didn't exist long before i set off to university). Religion is History, Sociology, Geography and Culture all in one. It was a beautiful subject to study and I enjo ...[text shortened]... you anything. It's up to you if you want to stop your search just a few steps into your journey.

You don't grasp the journey since you completely missed the point entirely. How can you tell if someone finds God or not if you don't know enough to recognize it?

Originally posted by KellyJay
The whole universe isn't enough?

Sure, if you can evidence that He created it, or indeed that He Himself exists.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Sure, if you can evidence that He created it, or indeed that He Himself exists.

It isn't eternal, it didn't create itself, and it supports life rings like a plan, purpose, and design to me. From the macro to micro it's a work of art.

Originally posted by KellyJay
It isn't eternal, it didn't create itself, and it supports life rings like a plan, purpose, and design to me. From the macro to micro it's a work of art.

Ah, God bless randomness. 😉

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Ah, God bless randomness. 😉

No, we are fearfully and wonderfully made, our creator controls the whole of the universe
and set it up for us.

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, we are fearfully and wonderfully made, our creator controls the whole of the universe
and set it up for us.

We certainly evolved that way.


(Worth noting that we can evidence evolution. Something you can't do for creation,...other than to point at a flower and say 'God did it' ).

Originally posted by FMF
Having lived among Christians all my life (and even been one), I am familiar with and understand your ir-got-me-through-hard-times personal testimony. The mixture of insecuriry and chip-on-your-shoulder elements you exhibit, however, have not been quite so common. Tell us more about Ghost of a Duke's "big brain".

There's entirely no need for you to project your own fears upon me.

Originally posted by Suzianne
There's entirely no need for you to project your own fears upon me.

"Fears"?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
We certainly evolved that way.


(Worth noting that we can evidence evolution. Something you can't do for creation,...other than to point at a flower and say 'God did it' ).

I can look at a process and ask could this be through random acts or did it require a touch
that knew what it was doing to set it up? So many complex things within living systems
do require a touch of timing that if it wasn't setup properly wouldn't work, and you also
have things like blood pressure that if random thickness were involved would never end
up in finding the proper thickness the holes would cause a dead end life form.

You want to look at all the details of the whole stinking universe that had to be just right
to support life, than look at all the complex details in life, and string that all together and
say random chance deserves a lot of credit I don't think you are wise in doing it, but you
will live and die with those beliefs.

Bull$hit on your evolution evidence and lack thereof for creation, it is like your lack of
eye for God, you will never see ID and a creator, you don't want to even entertain the idea.

Originally posted by FMF
"Fears"?

"What?"

Originally posted by Suzianne
"What?"

My post about your apparent chip-on-your-shoulder reference to Ghost of a Duke's big brain had nothing to do with anyone's "fears".

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I asked you previously if you had given any serious study to Islam.

With this post you have demonstrated that you haven't.

There is a verse that says that allah love everyone? I've talked to Muslims who say that allah hates infidels

You never hear of muslims talking about their personal relationship with allah, nor do you ever hear them call him father.

Why do you think that is? Could it be I'm right? Allah is cold and distant.

Originally posted by whodey
You never hear of muslims talking about their personal relationship with allah, nor do you ever hear them call him father. Why do you think that is? Could it be I'm right? Allah is cold and distant.

Let's say you and I are BOTH wrong, and Islam is, after all, the true religion and the proper means of worshipping god, then your personal preference for Christianity is neither here nor there.

Originally posted by whodey
There is a verse that says that allah love everyone?

I've just had a look at a Christian anti-Muslim web site and it concedes that "Allah is said to love those who do good deeds (2:195), those who are pure (2:222), those who are righteous (9:7), and those who fight in his cause (61:4), the Qur’an is equally clear that Allah has no love for transgressors (2:190), ungrateful sinners (2:276), the unjust (3:57), or the proud (4:36). Even more significantly, the Qur’an states that Allah does not love non-Muslims:" http://www.answeringmuslims.com/p/about.html So that Christian web site has given you a few verses you could be getting on with for a start.