15 Mar 07
Originally posted by howardgeeYou have no idea about my life, and what things I have been
You smile, but this is exactly the same brain-washing as you have been subected to.
And have fallen prey to,
subjected too. Your insistence that you do have a clue only confirms
as far as I'm concern that you have been programmed to think
certain things without understanding, now how you got there I
have no idea brain-washing or not don’t know..
Kelly
15 Mar 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadThink of Commandments like the rules of the road, you drive where
I have been told by muslims that Islam is not just about belief in God but a complete guide to how you live your life including strict rules about health etc.
I see no reason why religions shouldn't encourage things that benefit the followers.
I do see a slight flaw when it comes to free will. How do you reconcile free will with commandments? Remember t ...[text shortened]... situation and must observe certain rules for all eternity whether or not they remain relevant.
you will, but you do it under these conditions.
Kelly
15 Mar 07
Originally posted by KellyJaySpoken like a true brainwashee. You are so inside it you cannot see your way out and the more we try to convince you the more stubborn you are, its the way of all brainwashee's.
You have no idea about my life, and what things I have been
subjected too. Your insistence that you do have a clue only confirms
as far as I'm concern that you have been programmed to think
certain things without understanding, now how you got there I
have no idea brain-washing or not don’t know..
Kelly
16 Mar 07
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Originally posted by howardgeeAbout the same time you realise that in answering a question BASED on a Biblical practice, it makes perfect sense to explain the Biblical position! Whether or not you or I agree with the rationale is entirely beside the point
"The New Testament makes clear that ..."
When will you realise that quoting outdated nonsense cuts no mustard with a modern audience?
Idiot. Next you'll be telling me that any historian who explains the reasons why the Nazis justified the Holocaust must automatically agree with the Nazis.
16 Mar 07
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateIf you are not circumsized you will not go to hell, but you may get penis cancer, some sexual disease, inflammation in you urethra, or them all. It depends in your behaviour.
Am I going to Hell for not being circumsized? Why was circumcision originally used to signify a covenant with God?
16 Mar 07
Originally posted by ahosyneySo Islam commands you to be circumsized as well? Must one become circumsized if they convert and are not already circumsized?
If you are not circumsized you will not go to hell, but you may get penis cancer, some sexual disease, inflammation in you urethra, or them all. It depends in your behaviour.
16 Mar 07
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Originally posted by orfeoInitially the early Christians did insist on circumcision based on Jewish practice and law (which Jesus followed). They found this was an impediment to the growth of the religion (a lot of adult males didn't want the procedure in the 1st Century for some reason). So, PRESTO!, all of sudden circumcision WASN'T necessary after all!
Okay, now you're just [b]begging for the detailed theological explanation, aren't you?
The New Testament makes clear that whether or not a person is physically circumcised is neither here nor there. In Judaism, physical circumcision represented a covenant relationship with God. In Christianity, the convenant relationship with God is spiritual and the some weird requirement for Jews who became Christians to get their foreskins sewn back on.[/b]
There's a bit of a row in Acts about this but I forget exactly where. Maybe I'll try to find it.
EDIT: Acts 15.
16 Mar 07
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Originally posted by Hand of HecateIf ya really wanna know:
Okay? So you cut off the flesh to represent the removal of sins from the flesh? Still... the penis? Why not a fingernail or even my little toe? Does the ol' johnson really need to get wacked... er, cut off I mean?
St. Thomas holds that circumcision was a figure of baptism: this retrenches and restrains the animal man as that removed a part of his body -- which physical act indicated the spiritual effect of the sacrament (De Sac., Summa, III, Q. lxx, a. 1). He gives three reasons why the organ of generation rather than any other was to be circumcised:
1. Abraham was to be blessed in his seed;
2.The rite was to take away original sin, which comes by generation;
3. It was to restrain concupiscence, which is found especially in the generative organs (III, Q. lxx, a. 3). [apparently St. Thomas thought that sexual desire would be lessened by circumcision - a doctor he wasn't - no1]
According to his teaching, as baptism remits original sin and actual sins committed before its reception, so circumcision remitted both, but ex opere operantis, i.e. by the faith of the recipient, or, in the case of infants, by the faith of the parents.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03777a.htm
16 Mar 07
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Originally posted by sonhouseFine by me, tell me about my life, you have a clue, give the ins and
Spoken like a true brainwashee. You are so inside it you cannot see your way out and the more we try to convince you the more stubborn you are, its the way of all brainwashee's.
outs of my day to day comings and goings, tell me how I got to where
I am, from where I was. If you cannot, I'd say you don't know your
a$$ from a hole in the ground, and you couldn't even think of
something origional to say to me but had to repeat what howardgee
came up with, at least he can engage his brain and come up with his
own insults.
Kelly
16 Mar 07
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Originally posted by KellyJayHe may not know you, Kelly, but he has hit the nail on the head.
Fine by me, tell me about my life, you have a clue, give the ins and
outs of my day to day comings and goings, tell me how I got to where
I am, from where I was. If you cannot, I'd say you don't know your
a$$ from a hole in the ground, and you couldn't even think of
something origional to say to me but had to repeat what howardgee
came up with, at least he can engage his brain and come up with his
own insults.
Kelly
After all, you are the man who follows religion because you saw an advert in the paper!
16 Mar 07
Originally posted by KellyJaySo effectively you are saying that your perspective on free will is:
Think of Commandments like the rules of the road, you drive where
you will, but you do it under these conditions.
Kelly
"You can choose to believe in God or not, but if you choose not to then prepare to be stoned!"
17 Mar 07
Originally posted by twhiteheadIf you choose to drive your car 120 if it could go that fast, you must
So effectively you are saying that your perspective on free will is:
"You can choose to believe in God or not, but if you choose not to then prepare to be stoned!"
be prepared for what type of results come from driving so fast. Those
results may be the trill of that speed, but they could also be going off
the road out of control, plowing into something, getting a ticket, and
on and on. Even driving obeying the rules of the road do not protect
you from events out of your control, but the more people who do it
reduces the odds of bad things happening to everyone.
Kelly
18 Mar 07
Originally posted by KellyJayAnother pointless, irrelevant non-applicable analogy from the master of dumbness.
If you choose to drive your car 120 if it could go that fast, you must
be prepared for what type of results come from driving so fast. Those
results may be the trill of that speed, but they could also be going off
the road out of control, plowing into something, getting a ticket, and
on and on. Even driving obeying the rules of the road do not protect
...[text shortened]... rol, but the more people who do it
reduces the odds of bad things happening to everyone.
Kelly