20 Jan 08
Originally posted by josephwGet your hand off it you idiot.
I'm very, very sure that the spirit of God is in me too. Do you think if I cut myself open you could see it?
Tell me, why can't science produce any missing links? You'll need them if you are going to believe in evolution.
There are no missing links - that's a creationist myth to try to (unsuccessfully) debunk evolution.
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by scottishinnzYou take me out of context too easily. I don't trust the science that dates the age of artifacts.
Why don't you trust the science?
Is it because it doesn't fit with your pre-conceived notion of how old the earth is?
If so, that would have to rank amongst the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard.
I don't have a preconceived notion of how old the earth is. I keep saying this over and over again, I don't know how old the earth is, and neither does anyone else.
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by josephwHang on there.
You take me out of context too easily. I don't trust the science that dates the age of artifacts.
I don't have a preconceived notion of how old the earth is. I keep saying this over and over again, I don't know how old the earth is, and neither does anyone else.
Why don't you trust the science? I'm guessing it's because it doesn't make sense to you based on your view of the world. Which is essentially the same thing as a belief in the age of the world ...
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by amannionBlow a gasket? Tell that to Darwin. There's nothing in the fossil record to suggest that anything has evolved. You need proof that life is evolving, but there isn't any proof because nothing is evolving.
Get your hand off it you idiot.
There are no missing links - that's a creationist myth to try to (unsuccessfully) debunk evolution.
The fossil record proves that!
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by josephw(Image of my hand slapping my brow) Of course, how could I and so many others have been so wrong! Joseph, you are a genius. You must surely be in line for a Nobel or something, what with all your blinding insights.
Blow a gasket? Tell that to Darwin. There's nothing in the fossil record to suggest that anything has evolved. You need proof that life is evolving, but there isn't any proof because nothing is evolving.
The fossil record proves that!
The fossil record proves evolution doesn't happen.
It's just so obvious and simple when you realise.
... Truly idiotic!
What bothers me is not that there are people like you, but that you have kids.
That's scary ...
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by amannion(Picture me rolling on the floor laughing my ars off)
(Image of my hand slapping my brow) Of course, how could I and so many others have been so wrong! Joseph, you are a genius. You must surely be in line for a Nobel or something, what with all your blinding insights.
The fossil record proves evolution doesn't happen.
It's just so obvious and simple when you realise.
... Truly idiotic!
What bothers me is not that there are people like you, but that you have kids.
That's scary ...
Come on! Where is the fossil evidence for the evolution of living things? There isn't any. Is that why you are so worried about my kids?
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by josephwNo, I'm worried that they're going to spout the same drivel as you.
(Picture me rolling on the floor laughing my ars off)
Come on! Where is the fossil evidence for the evolution of living things? There isn't any. Is that why you are so worried about my kids?
The fossil record is abundant with evidence for evolution - 'missing links' included.
20 Jan 08
Originally posted by josephwNow when you say nothing is evolving, what are you really saying?
Blow a gasket? Tell that to Darwin. There's nothing in the fossil record to suggest that anything has evolved. You need proof that life is evolving, but there isn't any proof because nothing is evolving.
The fossil record proves that!
21 Jan 08
Originally posted by josephwThen you sir, are a gimboid. No but seriously, I honestly can't get my head around why people would believe some old book, written after the events which it describes, by half a dozen people, with no other real sources to compare it to or anything, over 2000 odd years of science by means of testing.
I'm saying, within the context of the debate, i.e. evolution vs. creation, there's no such thing as evolution.
I mean people in christs day used to believe that everything was created by a combination of fire, water, earth and air. Jesus didn't say "actually, my dad made everyone from atoms from collapsed stars." He might have had some credibility nowadays if he had.
21 Jan 08
Originally posted by FeastboyThe Bible is not a book about science nor a book about history, though I guess there is some in there. Apparently the most important things in Genesis keeps being repeated over and over (like with all things that are important). "And God said it was good."
Then you sir, are a gimboid. No but seriously, I honestly can't get my head around why people would believe some old book, written after the events which it describes, by half a dozen people, with no other real sources to compare it to or anything, over 2000 odd years of science by means of testing.
I mean people in christs day used to believe that ever ...[text shortened]... one from atoms from collapsed stars." He might have had some credibility nowadays if he had.
21 Jan 08
I posted this elsewhere, then read this thread and feel a strange urge to post a modified version of it again
Arguing Creationism Vs Evolution with a creationist is like playing table tennis against a wall. Eventually you'll loose. Not because the wall is better at table tennis than you simply because its a wall.
To clarify it has never nor will never be a "debate" because anyone who calls themselves a Scientist by their very nature can admit that perhaps they're wrong. Where as anyone on the other side of this particular fence knows already that they are unquestionably right. Therefore there is no point to the argument.
Anyway just an opinion on arguing this point, since I've done it with many people and have at this point quite simply given up. However I have been reading these boards instead of working and felt an insuppressible urge to express an opinion...
I have no problem with anyones beliefs, everyone is entitled to them and thats the way it should be, however the application of science to justify faith in a set of any beliefs I find offensive. And no science and by proxy, evolution is not a belief. Its a working theory of which much has been proven, or modified to fit existing evidence, it's certainly not perfect, and by becoming aware of it we've probably changed it. But like most scientific theory its the answer that best fits the currently available evidence, much like Newtonian Physics was considered perfect, until someone noticed it didn't always apply.
So I guess what I'm trying to say is believe in whatever makes you comfortable but stop trying to apply science to justify a set of beliefs that have little or no scientific basis.
21 Jan 08
Originally posted by rwingettOk, let me put it another way. The last 6000 years have seen an explosion in terms of technology. These advancements seem to have exploded exponentially since the Stone Age. Therefore, to say that there is nothing special about the last 6000 years is blantantly false.
What??? There are records of all those things prior to that. They all just happened to come together in Catal Huyuk to form a thriving city. As I said earlier, animals had been domesticated in 15,000 BCE. People started making pottery around 11,000 BCE. Agriculture started around 8,000 BCE, which was pivotal. Once people started farming, cities became possi ...[text shortened]... that time, although some things, like the wheel, did make their first appearance around then.
21 Jan 08
Originally posted by whodeyBut of course we would see such exponential development. We don't live in a vacuum. We're a species that relies on culture and learning - that is, we learn from our ancestors and pass this learning on to our descendants.
Ok, let me put it another way. The last 6000 years have seen an explosion in terms of technology. These advancements seem to have exploded exponentially since the Stone Age. Therefore, to say that there is nothing special about the last 6000 years is blantantly false.
So our civilisations have skyrocketed as a result.
There's nothing startling about that.