09 Nov 05
Originally posted by howardgeeYou really are confused...
All religions convey the concept of guilt to it's followers.
Sacrifices traditionally are made to 'appease' the Gods which implies that somebody has upset them in the first place.
Xtians doing evil tend to blame only themselves, but upon committing a good deed, or receiveing a favourable outcome from an action, will thank God.
This detracts from ...[text shortened]... ge. Indeed onanism is considered a sin, and sex is seen as being for procreation purposes only.
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by howardgeethis may be what some people beleive and/or feel, but it is not what Christians should feel. Sin, and the guilt assosiated with it, was taken away by Jesus's death on the cross.
All religions convey the concept of guilt to it's followers.
Sacrifices traditionally are made to 'appease' the Gods which implies that somebody has upset them in the first place.
Xtians doing evil tend to blame only themselves, but upon committing a good deed, or receiveing a favourable outcome from an action, will thank God.
This detracts from ...[text shortened]... ge. Indeed onanism is considered a sin, and sex is seen as being for procreation purposes only.
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by howardgeeI'll have to give you some props there. guilt is one of organised religion's biggest crimes against humanity. It is responsible for much suffering, and I agree, totally unnecessary. It is one of the many characteristics of western religion that is clearly "man made". a supreme being would have no need for this type of pathetic manipulation.
A friend of mine recently lost her baby (miscarried).
Being religious, she is now racked by guilt, convinced that she has been punished by God for something she has done wrong.
I have tried in vain to convince her that miscarriages before 3 months are simply natural and random events without blame or causes.
A person suffering such emotional los ...[text shortened]... is. Why must religion punish them further with the notion of guilt and judgement from on high?
09 Nov 05
before anyone starts saying this is not christain doctrine....Lord I am not worthy..... sound familar? WHY on earth would God's creations not be worthy to receive him? This implies guilt...that just by existing you have done something wrong.
Saved a wretch like me????
You are human! not a wretch, the fact that you have shortcomings is natural, not wretched!
I know my Catholic upbringing left me feeling very guilty for being sexually aroused by women...it took me years not to feel guilty because of my desire. HELLO! If you believe in God...who wired up our genitals? Thankfuly I had an epiphany in my twenties, and eventually married a stripper! 7 years later we are quite happily married thank you!
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerYour proving HG's point. This type of thing really bugged me growing up. was commiting a mortal sin every day! sudying Physiology and embryology as well as evolution and basic biology proved to me I was simply a human experiencing natural drives. I still believed in God, and accepted that he made me that way. Realizing this it made no sense to believe God actually thought what you are qouting Jesus as saying. I am quite convinced that wasn't Jesus talking, but a Ghost writer! I did waste a lot of my teen years reviling myself for being a normal human, thanks to Catholicism.
Christ said that if you look at a women and lust after her, you have already comitted adultery with her.
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageno, he's not okay with it. but if you ask his forgiveness and are trully sorry he shall forgive you. if he was okay with it you wouldn't need forgiven, would you?
So Jesus is ok with, say, pre- / extra-marital sex? Right on!!!
and it is possible to look at girls without lusting after them, shocking though this may seem!...
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagepossibly, possibly, or just relise that there is more to life than sex. i still look at girls, i still think they are cute, hot etc. i just don't look at the girl in the short skirt, or the girl dancing wearing nothing but a skirt and body paints (true story). i also don't think to myself-waw, i'd like to bed that one! it's weird and complicated and rather hard to explain. although stopping masturbating helps. a lot.
Jedi mind power technique?
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by geniusWhat? How can stopping masturbating assist with lowering sex drive?
possibly, possibly, or just relise that there is more to life than sex. i still look at girls, i still think they are cute, hot etc. i just don't look at the girl in the short skirt, or the girl dancing wearing nothing but a skirt and body paints (true story). i also don't think to myself-waw, i'd like to bed that one! it's weird and complicated and rather hard to explain. although stopping masturbating helps. a lot.
P.S. There's nothing more to life than sex.