Worlds problems....

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Do you agree with Galveston's assertion that some of us will never see the evidence until God let's us?

Yes its Biblical.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why do i post? hmm, i have asked myself that question many times, cant say, simply
because i can i guess. My statement to twithead was an attempt to demonstrate the
irony of his post not because I actually think i am a chosen one, although, it would be
nice if I was, i think.

I wonder that myself at times especially when we post something that I know is good and that should encourage ones that there is hope for the future no matter how grim things look now, but then that message is blasted with criticism. "This future life is open to all no matter who they are".
We have a faith that God will straighten things up here on earth soon and the paradise that he originally made for humans will be brought back.
But the Bible says that most will not accept that future and will do their own thing.
It is clear here that most truly don't want that or will even take the time to research that possibility. I truly wish it was different.

Originally posted by galveston75
I wonder that myself at times especially when we post something that I know is good and that should encourage ones that there is hope for the future no matter how grim things look now, but then that message is blasted with criticism. "This future life is open to all no matter who they are".
We have a faith that God will straighten things up here on ear ...[text shortened]... that or will even take the time to research that possibility. I truly wish it was different.

Christ said the scripture can not be broken and that His word would not pass away.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!

Originally posted by RJHinds
Christ said the scripture can not be broken and that His word would not pass away.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!

and after his words do eventually pass away, nobody will remember he ever said they would never pass away.

Originally posted by galveston75
I wonder that myself at times especially when we post something that I know is good and that should encourage ones that there is hope for the future no matter how grim things look now, but then that message is blasted with criticism. "This future life is open to all no matter who they are".
We have a faith that God will straighten things up here on ear ...[text shortened]... that or will even take the time to research that possibility. I truly wish it was different.

Does the JW organization study the witnessing process to see what is effective to use in witnessing to different kinds of people, and/or whether it is ever best (for those people) to back off from them?

This is a sincere question.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes its Biblical.

Would you say i am one of those people that God has decided to withhold evidence from?

Originally posted by galveston75
As has been proved over and over..... 🙂

A proof should be available to be checked by anyone. That your 'proofs' are only visible to a select group of people suggests that they are not really proofs at all but rather bluffs.

Originally posted by twhitehead
A proof should be available to be checked by anyone. That your 'proofs' are only visible to a select group of people suggests that they are not really proofs at all but rather bluffs.

Well it is. The proof is in every bible. But the point your'e missing is this. If God does not allow you to see it with understanding when you read it, that is between you and him.
I can show you a scripture that I understand but if God chooses not to let you understand for whatever reason, you will not no matter how much and how hard I try to explain it to you.
I'm sorry I can't show you more but that's the way God designed the Bible.
For instance many here have read the Bible cover to cover many times in their life, and as an example they can read the verses in Revelation that speaks of the 144,000 and still never grasp who they are. God does not let them connect Jesus's explinations throughout the NT of this group and are unable to connect them together to finally get that understanding.
Many questions are just not answered in a single line or a few verses but are only understood with God reading those hearts and seeing that that person is completely wanting the truth no matter what and are willing to completely accept it even if it puts them at odds with the rest of the worlds ideas and teachings which have many levels of paganistic beliefs in them.
One would literally and spiritually have to pick up Jesus's torture stake and would have to be willing to die for the truth, recognize the Kingdom that Jesus is now reigning over and would have to disown and no longer support of the governments here on earth that are controlled by Satan and that will soon end.
Most deep inside not willing to do that and that is why most do not understand the deeper things of the Bible.

And this understanding should be nothing that any of God's servants should brag about. It is simply a blessing and something any christian should be humbled by and be more then willing to share with all.

Originally posted by galveston75
Well it is. The proof is in every bible. But the point your'e missing is this. If God does not allow you to see it with understanding when you read it, that is between you and him.
I can show you a scripture that I understand but if God chooses not to let you understand for whatever reason, you will not no matter how much and how hard I try to explain ...[text shortened]... something any christian should be humbled by and be more then willing to share with all.

Well, saying "God isn't letting you understand!" is much easier than admitting, "I'm not doing a terribly good job of explaining this stuff". 😛

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Would you say i am one of those people that God has decided to withhold evidence from?

its not a case of withholding evidence but of logic. When one is prepared to deny the divine element by limiting ones search for truth to purely material agencies then the Bible appears absurd. As soon as one makes room for the possibility, it makes sense.

Originally posted by galveston75
I wonder that myself at times especially when we post something that I know is good and that should encourage ones that there is hope for the future no matter how grim things look now, but then that message is blasted with criticism. .

What makes you think people here aren't actually working for a better future in their daily lives - and in their each and every way - rather than merely urging others to "hope for the future" in an internet chat room?

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Why do you continue in this vein? As has been pointed out by many posters (christians and atheists alike), comments like this only show how silly and illogical you are. Hardly helping your cause.

All these rather pathetic comments show is how pathetic you are.
Proper Knob is a fine poster in these parts and he has answered a few questions for me, point blank, for which I have been grateful.
I'm not really waiting on a much better answer from robbie carrobie - but I'll bet it's better than that put down you gave to Proper Knob for no good reason, it would seem.

Yes, take his head out of his arse and shove it in the bible, right?

there is no evidence for all to see or else we would not be having this debate.

Originally posted by FMF
What makes you think people here aren't actually working for a better future in their daily lives - and in their each and every way - rather than merely urging others to "hope for the future" in an internet chat room?

I don't believe I ever said that. If I did please show me.
And what is wrong with "urging" others to hope for a better future? Should I say have a "bad" future?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Why do you continue in this vein? As has been pointed out by many posters (christians and atheists alike), comments like this only show how silly and illogical you are. Hardly helping your cause.

All these rather pathetic comments show is how pathetic you are.
Proper Knob is a fine poster in these parts and he has answered a few questions for me, ...[text shortened]... e, right?

there is no evidence for all to see or else we would not be having this debate.

I agree that his answering like that does not help anything. Obviously these discussions can get heated, they shouldn't be but they do. We all should keep those types of thoughts to ourselves and not post them.