27 Nov 08
Originally posted by freightdog37you are nominated for the darwin awards. there are still several things you need to do(just one of them would suffice) to get the award.
Doesn't the flood account for the majority of the dinosaurs dying off. What is the big deal with people listening to a different point of view? Observational science cannot confirm how the universe began. I'm not saying that you are scared, but why are evolutionist so scared of a different point of view. Richard Dawkins was asked at the very beginni ...[text shortened]... rational than believing in a God that left a history and guide book for the people he created?
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton"…Richard Dawkins was asked at the very beginning where did (life) it all come from. He said that it could have been seeded from aliens..…"
[b]…Doesn't the flood account for the majority of the dinosaurs dying off......
Not really; I presume there is no evidence of a big flood in the sedimentary layer of rock that marks when the dinosaurs died out. Besides, that hypothesis doesn’t make much sense anyway - where did all that water come from? -and where did it then all go? -I mean, ...[text shortened]... answer one question to be replaced with others ( e.g. how did that alien life get started? ).[/b]
i submit the idea that unless he puts forward a quote from dawkings, he is most likely confused and puts dawkins and scientology together into a blender, pushes the button and instant ignorance smoothie.
yum
27 Nov 08
I apologize for not suppling the quote, but I am not much for typing. The conversation was taken from a website after doing a google search. It was taken from the movie Ben Stein did, Expelled: no Intelligence allowed. Anyone who has seen the movie can back up that I have not edited this below.
My question was left unanswered.
Moderator Ben Stein asks Dawkins how life began:
DAWKINS:Nobody knows how it got started. We know the kind of event that it must have been. We know the sort of event that must have happened for the origin of life.
BEN STEIN:And what was that?
DAWKINS:It was the origin of the first self-replicating molecule.
BEN STEIN:Right, and how did that happen?
DAWKINS:I told you, we don't know
...
BEN STEIN:What do you think is the possibility that Intelligent Design might turn out to be the answer to some issues in genetics or in evolution.
DAWKINS:Well, it could come about in the following way. It could be that at some earlier time, somewhere in the universe, a civilization evolved, probably by some kind of Darwinian means, probably to a very high level of technology, and designed a form of life that they seeded onto perhaps this planet. Now, um, now that is a possibility, and an intriguing possibility. And I suppose it's possible that you might find evidence for that if you look at the details of biochemistry, molecular biology, you might find a signature of some sort of designer.
27 Nov 08
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Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton"Not really; I presume there is no evidence of a big flood in the sedimentary layer of rock that marks when the dinosaurs died out. Besides, that hypothesis doesn’t make much sense anyway - where did all that water come from? -and where did it then all go? -I mean, where is it now? "
[b]…Doesn't the flood account for the majority of the dinosaurs dying off......
Not really; I presume there is no evidence of a big flood in the sedimentary layer of rock that marks when the dinosaurs died out. Besides, that hypothesis doesn’t make much sense anyway - where did all that water come from? -and where did it then all go? -I mean, answer one question to be replaced with others ( e.g. how did that alien life get started? ).[/b]
It’s on, in, or above the earth now. I do not believe the surface land
masses today are the same as they were before the flood, rearrange
the land mass as was suggested occurred when the waters of the deep
sprang forth most certainly could have covered the planet, and
altered the surface too.
Kelly
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe dinosaurs died off like all other creatures that died off, something
if you claim that the dinosaurs died in the flood because they had no room on the arc(maybe the raptors would have made noah kebab) how do you explain the survival of the koalas and the kangaroos? they weren't present on the ship manifest either.
how did the insects survive, i believe no insects were on the arc either.
they needed was gone, or something they couldn't handle was
introduced to where they were. They had to have been on the Ark too,
as all other land creatures.
Kelly
27 Nov 08
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Originally posted by KellyJay…It’s on, in, or above the earth now...…
"Not really; I presume there is no evidence of a big flood in the sedimentary layer of rock that marks when the dinosaurs died out. Besides, that hypothesis doesn’t make much sense anyway - where did all that water come from? -and where did it then all go? -I mean, where is it now? "
It’s on, in, or above the earth now. I do not believe the surface land ...[text shortened]... prang forth most certainly could have covered the planet, and
altered the surface too.
Kelly
This appears to ignore basic physics:
-if the flood water is still “on” the earth then the flood would still be here.
-if the flood water is “in” the earth then why is there no evidence of underground oceans of flood water (such underground oceans would be easily detected by measuring how the shockwaves from earthquakes travel through the Earth)
and what possible physical process could have put it there?
-if the flood water is “above” the earth then how did it defy gravity by poring upwards and why don’t we see oceans of flood water suspended in the sky today?
….I do not believe the surface land masses today are the same as they were before the flood, rearrange the land mass as was suggested occurred when the waters of the deep sprang forth most certainly could have covered the planet, and
altered the surface too.. .…
Basic science tells us that the land masses move by slow continental drift over millions of years due to the massive forces exerted on the earths crust from the gigantic convection currents of molten rock below -flood water is not necessary for this process nor is it physically possible for flood water to move entire continents! -if you say it is possible than explain the physics involved.
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonYou do understand that water, even now is either on, in, or above the
[b]…It’s on, in, or above the earth now...…
This appears to ignore basic physics:
-if the flood water is still “on” the earth then the flood would still be here.
-if the flood water is “in” the earth then why is there no evidence of underground oceans of flood water (such underground oceans would be easily detected by measuring how th ...[text shortened]... d water to move entire continents! -if you say it is possible than explain the physics involved.[/b]
earth. Simply having water on the earth 200 years ago does not mean
it hasn't filtered into the earth, or got evaperated either, or been in
all three places one time or another.
Kelly
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonBasic science tells us there are events that can cause land mass to
[b]…It’s on, in, or above the earth now...…
This appears to ignore basic physics:
-if the flood water is still “on” the earth then the flood would still be here.
-if the flood water is “in” the earth then why is there no evidence of underground oceans of flood water (such underground oceans would be easily detected by measuring how th ...[text shortened]... d water to move entire continents! -if you say it is possible than explain the physics involved.[/b]
change quickly too, now we are just discussing how much is possible
at any given time. If events are local massive changes can occur if
they are global, then I'd suggest massive changes can occur.
Kelly
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by KellyJay…You do understand that water, even now is either on, in, or above the
You do understand that water, even now is either on, in, or above the
earth. Simply having water on the earth 200 years ago does not mean
it hasn't filtered into the earth, or got evaperated either, or been in
all three places one time or another.
Kelly
earth. ......
Err -actually I do understand this for I have studied science.
But the quantities of water needed for a WWF would make the hypotheses that ALL that flood water could have evaporated off or “filtered” into the earth physically absurd.
If you say it evaporated off then it is physically impossible for the atmosphere to suspended, in the form of water vapour, anything like that quantity of water needed to flood all the land for it would just precipitate out once it reaches 100% relative humidity well before this.
If you say it “filtered” into the earth then I presume you mean the soil soaked it all up? But soil has only a limited capacity to absorb water and one cubic meter of soil cannot absorb 1000 cubic meters of water!
If it isn’t mainly in the soil now then where do you say most of this water is?
If you say it is still “on” the Earth then we are still flooded!
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonThink outside the box, if the ground were to level completely would
[b]…You do understand that water, even now is either on, in, or above the
earth. ......
Err -actually I do understand this for I have studied science.
But the quantities of water needed for a WWF would make the hypotheses that ALL that flood water could have evaporated off or “filtered” into the earth physically absurd.
If you say it ...[text shortened]... u say most of this water is?
If you say it is still “on” the Earth then we are still flooded![/b]
the water be able to cover the planet? It does not have to level
completely, but the fact that it could should stop all debate on it
cannot happen due to there is either to much or not enough water.
Kelly
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by KellyJay…Basic science tells us there are events that can cause land mass to
Basic science tells us there are events that can cause land mass to
change quickly too, now we are just discussing how much is possible
at any given time. If events are local massive changes can occur if
they are global, then I'd suggest massive changes can occur.
Kelly
change quickly too,......
Err - that simply isn’t true -which basic science are you referring to?
No science suggests that the land masses move “quickly” -the study of continental drift has proved that they take millions of years to just move a few kilometres ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_drift )
Can you show me any science website that contradicts this?
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by Andrew HamiltonHave you seen a volcano erupt, the land masses around them do
[b]…Basic science tells us there are events that can cause land mass to
change quickly too,......
Err - that simply isn’t true -which basic science are you referring to?
No science suggests that the land masses move “quickly” -the study of continental drift has proved that they take millions of years to just move a few kilometres ( http:// ...[text shortened]... kipedia.org/wiki/Continental_drift )
Can you show me any science website that contradicts this?[/b]
rather get changed very quickly, islands appeared, valleys can occur
and we are talking about a global event where the all the water with
in the planet all sprung forth at the same time, there was more than
a little earth changing going on at that time, it was a catastrophic
event. Read the text, there was more than a gentle rain fall taking
place at that time.
Kelly
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by KellyJay…Have you seen a volcano erupt, the land masses around them do
Have you seen a volcano erupt, the land masses around them do
rather get changed very quickly, islands appeared, valleys can occur
and we are talking about a global event where the all the water with
in the planet all sprung forth at the same time, there was more than
a little earth changing going on at that time, it was a catastrophic
event. Read the text, there was more than a gentle rain fall taking
place at that time.
Kelly
rather get changed very quickly, islands appeared,.....
Yes -but not continents (I assume that is what you meant by “land masses&ldquo😉 -and volcanic eruptions couldn’t suddenly cause a WWF (if that is what you are implying?)
27 Nov 08
Originally posted by KellyJayIf that was the case, Noah had some bitchin cages. I would have enjoyed seeing him put the Velaca Raptors in theirs.
The dinosaurs died off like all other creatures that died off, something
they needed was gone, or something they couldn't handle was
introduced to where they were. They had to have been on the Ark too,
as all other land creatures.
Kelly