04 Jan 22
@fmf saidSo, do you not count the Book of Revelation as part of Jesus' teaching?
No, that's not so. I "struggle" with Revelation in much the same way as I "struggle" with QAnon. So, do you not count the Book of Revelation as part of Jesus' teaching? The seven words [and dash] you posted above sidestepped the question.
The short answer is "Yes"
I would point out however that I am not a bible scholar, so if you have questions or comments about Revelation (and I'm sure you do) I'm not the one to ask.
04 Jan 22
@mchill saidDo you believe in the eternal suffering teaching? I.e. that non Christians will be either burnt alive for eternity in the lake of fire, or annihilated in the lake of fire?
So, do you not count the Book of Revelation as part of Jesus' teaching?
The short answer is "Yes"
I would point out however that I am not a bible scholar, so if you have questions or comments about Revelation (and I'm sure you do) I'm not the one to ask.
04 Jan 22
@mchill saidThe words of yours that prompted my question about Revelation were:
So, do you not count the Book of Revelation as part of Jesus' teaching?
The short answer is "Yes"
I would point out however that I am not a bible scholar, so if you have questions or comments about Revelation (and I'm sure you do) I'm not the one to ask.
"Jesus taught the masses in a non - confrontational way, using a combination of plain language and parables, and let them decide the issue for themselves."
04 Jan 22
@divegeester saidDo you believe in the eternal suffering teaching?
Do you believe in the eternal suffering teaching? I.e. that non Christians will be either burnt alive for eternity in the lake of fire, or annihilated in the lake of fire?
At the risk of sounding evasive, I can't answer your question. The words of the book of Revelation are full of allegory, and parables that bible scholars are still trying to decipher today. I'm not the one to ask about this.
@mchill saidYou are indeed being evasive, but at least you acknowledge it!
Do you believe in the eternal suffering teaching?
At the risk of sounding evasive, I can't answer your question. The words of the book of Revelation are full of allegory, and parables that bible scholars are still trying to decipher today. I'm not the one to ask about this.
As a Christian, surely you are aware of the doctrine of eternal suffering because your OP calls for less pulpit bashing about it.
If you are “not the one to ask about it”, then why do you feel so strongly that you want other preachers to dial down their sermons about it?
Furthermore, why not address some of the posters in this forum who have been for years and years hardcore proponents of the notion that Jesus will be overseeing the the fire and brimstone and the casting in of billions of non Christians?
04 Jan 22
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@divegeester saidYou didn't say this?
Anyway, I find it odd that if you believe that billions of souls will be, as you put it, “snuffed out in a lake of fire”, that you would not want to be “banging the pulpit” about it.
Seems strange to me.
I beg to differ.
You also evaded my point.
04 Jan 22
@suzianne saidSorry what point have I evaded?
You didn't say this?
I beg to differ.
You also evaded my point.
Please ask again I have no need to evade or deflect.
04 Jan 22
@fmf saidI don't.
Do you not count the Book of Revelation as being part of Jesus' teaching?
The Book of Revelation was written after Jesus' death.
The text is written as by an eye witness. It speaks OF Jesus, it concerns some of his actions at the end of days, near his return to Earth, but I'm pretty sure that the Book of Revelation was not in any of his teachings.
04 Jan 22
@divegeester saidYou insisted that I might have a need to "bang the pulpit", and I asked you if Jesus had a need to "bang the pulpit" about the end of those found wanting at Judgement.
Sorry what point have I evaded?
Please ask again I have no need to evade or deflect.
He did not, and so I do not. He found it easier and more effective to merely talk with people and influence them in other ways in the way they should go. He wasn't about scare tactics and neither am I.
This was my point, not who started with the phrase "bang the pulpit".
04 Jan 22
@suzianne saidIs the book in question not said to be the "Revelation" of Jesus communicated to someone-or-other who claimed he was being instructed by Jesus? If it's not Jesus' teaching, is the content the teaching of the someone-or-other who is said to have written it?
The text is written as by an eye witness. It speaks OF Jesus, it concerns some of his actions at the end of days, near his return to Earth, but I'm pretty sure that the Book of Revelation was not in any of his teachings.
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Please ask again I have no need to evade or deflect.
EXCELLENT!
Is it possible that there could be a genuine practical local church today continuing what was started in "the church in Jerusalem" or is it impossible for Christians to church today in any regard except in division, as a denomination?
Yes - it could be possible.
No - it is impossible
You have no need to evade or deflect.
@sonship saidNO, that is impossible.
@divegeesterPlease ask again I have no need to evade or deflect.
EXCELLENT!
Is it possible that there could be a genuine practical local church today continuing what was started in "the church in Jerusalem" or is it impossible for Christians to church today in any regard except in division, as a denomination?
Yes - it could be possible.
No - it is impossible
You have no need to evade or deflect.