11 Feb 09
Originally posted by shortcircuitTrue, MLB didn't test. But there is the illegality of how they obtained it.
Obviously the fact that the results were supposed to be anonymous had a lot to do with the cooperation they received in the testing. No one really counted on a Federal subponea allowing them to seize the records before they could be destroyed. Now the memories of many of the players are getting clearer now that the evidence is shown to exist. What still ...[text shortened]... s who should be punished at all are those who used the stuff after it became a banned substance.
11 Feb 09
Originally posted by shortcircuitHe went to U of Miami, and they just named their new stadium after him! He did donate 4 million for it, so it's appropriate, but now they're pretty up in arms about it!!!
Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Willie McCovey, Reggie Jackson....the list goes on...
11 Feb 09
Originally posted by badmoonHave you ever heard of DMSO (dimetholsulfoxide I think is the compound)? This was a wonderdrug in the 60's and 70's. It is high grade horse linament. MANY pro players and collegiate players, including myself, used the stuff. It was not a bad drug that did horrible things to you, but the FDA would not approve it so it could be obtained for human use over the counter. You could walk into a tack store and buy it all day long to use on your horse though. It is alos a primary ingredient in many industrial floor cleaners which were obtainable. Dumb. The horse linament was pure enough to use, but you had to be careful of the floor cleaner because of the added chemicals that were in it that you didn't want in your body. Why wouldn't the FDA approve it? Because one of the things that was unique about this drug was, in liquid form, it would flow from your skin directly into the bloodstream. That was deemed bad for two reasons. One, if you applied the stuff and it hit your clothing, it would suck the dye out of the clothing and take it straight into the bloodstream and it could kill you. That is why we always applied it without any clothing on in the area being treated. The second reason, and I think the primary one why the FDA would not approve it, was that drug users could place powdered cocaine, heroin, or other drugs on their skin, apply DMSO and it would take the drugs directly into the bloodstream for a fix, without leaving any track marks.
True, MLB didn't test. But there is the illegality of how they obtained it.
Now, you may ask, what was so great about this drug compound? It had an extremely fast healing rate for injured muscle tissue that has not been seen in anything else. When a pitcher was throwing every 4th day, as it used to be, many pitchers developed "dead arm" anywhere from half to 2/3 of the way through the season. This condition was caused by the constant tearing of muscle tissue and the bleeding in the arm after pitching, and not allowing enough time for the healing to occur. DMSO, would alleviate the pain and speed the healing process. Hell I saw a sprinter pull a muscle in a race on Friday, the trainers bathed the muscle for 12 hours in DMSO, and the guy ran a race on Saturday, without any ill effects from the pull. Daryle Lamonica would have had his career ended 5 years ealier without DMSO. The drug in itself isn't dangerous, but it is what the drug can help you do that is what they were defending against.
Was using DMSO illegal?....NO. Was having DMSO for human use without a perscription illegal?....yes. Was having DMSO for use on your horse illegal?....NO. Was having DMSO for use on your floors illegal?...NO.
Most of you have probably never even heard of the stuff. This stuff wasn't a steroid. It wasn't a growth hormone. It was a healing agent that would allow you to perform when you otherwise would have been unable to due to the pain.
12 Feb 09
Originally posted by shortcircuitThe list of what goes on? None of these guys enahnced their body to perform their accomplishments. In fact many of them did not even take care of themselves adequately.
Mickey Mantle, Willie Mays, Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Willie McCovey, Reggie Jackson....the list goes on...
14 Feb 09
Originally posted by shortcircuitInteresting. Hadn't heard of that one.
Have you ever heard of DMSO (dimetholsulfoxide I think is the compound)? This was a wonderdrug in the 60's and 70's. It is high grade horse linament. MANY pro players and collegiate players, including myself, used the stuff. It was not a bad drug that did horrible things to you, but the FDA would not approve it so it could be obtained for human use over ...[text shortened]... ould allow you to perform when you otherwise would have been unable to due to the pain.
15 Feb 09
Originally posted by quackquackThey all broke rules of MLB standards in one form or another such as tax evasion, working with/for known gambling groups, using illegal substances on the baseball during the game, defacing baseballs during the game, not to mention moral issues of boozing it up, sex scandals. Check it out and you will understand. This is a joke that they are getting sanctimonious over this. Hell, the very reporters who salivate like dogs to get the story regularly perpetrate lies or pay off individuals for the "scoop" stories or "insider information. Aside from being unethical, it makes them equally unreliable as sources.
The list of what goes on? None of these guys enahnced their body to perform their accomplishments. In fact many of them did not even take care of themselves adequately.
17 Feb 09
Originally posted by PhlabibitDo you really think it matters? This will be a non- story in about 10 days.
'I'm not sure they really did anything'
"So why did you take them about 36 times over 3 years, as you claim"?
'Um....'
'I didn't really know they were illegal'
"So why were you afraid to ask anyone how to take them properly"?
'Um...'