25 Jan 09
It does not bother me so much who is in or who is out but that people just want their favorites in. I certainly think Blyleven should be in and that will probably be corrected very soon.
I would not sight Jack Morris and his 3.90 career ERA as a Hall of Fame oversight.
Its funny because people spend so much time talking about Morris as a big game pitcher when a guy like Tommy John (288 career wins; 3.34 career ERA) has been a big game pitcher 2.08 League Championship ERA; 2.67 WS.
25 Jan 09
Originally posted by quackquackIf you will look at the records, Morris was the winningest pitcher in the 90's. That is pretty strong. The ERA is elevated because he pitched in the AL with the DH. And, never forget the 10 inning 1-0 shutout in the World Series. Morris was a go to guy.
It does not bother me so much who is in or who is out but that people just want their favorites in. I certainly think Blyleven should be in and that will probably be corrected very soon.
I would not sight Jack Morris and his 3.90 career ERA as a Hall of Fame oversight.
Its funny because people spend so much time talking about Morris as a big game pit ...[text shortened]... career wins; 3.34 career ERA) has been a big game pitcher 2.08 League Championship ERA; 2.67 WS.
26 Jan 09
Originally posted by shortcircuitAgain though the consistency in the arguments is what concerns me.
If you will look at the records, Morris was the winningest pitcher in the 90's. That is pretty strong. The ERA is elevated because he pitched in the AL with the DH. And, never forget the 10 inning 1-0 shutout in the World Series. Morris was a go to guy.
Morris was the winningest pitcher in the 90s but he was on good offensive teams and had high ERAs. Guidry in a ten year period led the league in strike outs, starters ERA, shutouts and wins--- that's truly dominant. He one the 1 game playoff in 1978. I certainly would rather have more consideration for him.
26 Jan 09
Originally posted by quackquackI liked Louisiana Lightning as well, but I still believe Morris was a better pitcher. I would have no problem with Guidry getting more consideration than he has, but I don't think he was the dominant pitcher of any decade, and Morris definitely was. I still believe Blyleven has to be the next pitcher that should be inducted though.
Again though the consistency in the arguments is what concerns me.
Morris was the winningest pitcher in the 90s but he was on good offensive teams and had high ERAs. Guidry in a ten year period led the league in strike outs, starters ERA, shutouts and wins--- that's truly dominant. He one the 1 game playoff in 1978. I certainly would rather have more consideration for him.
28 Jan 09
Originally posted by shortcircuitWe agree on Blylevin and I think he will be the next one in.
I liked Louisiana Lightning as well, but I still believe Morris was a better pitcher. I would have no problem with Guidry getting more consideration than he has, but I don't think he was the dominant pitcher of any decade, and Morris definitely was. I still believe Blyleven has to be the next pitcher that should be inducted though.
I do think you overstate Morris. He had his big moments; he just has too high an ERA and too small career totals to be considered great.