08 Apr 10
Originally posted by blade68So are you telling me you will sprout your uninformed vitriol all over these forums, even when a person who actually LIVES in the country you are badmouthing tells you your expat "friend" is talking BS?
My opinions may differ from the majority, but at least I'm prepared to put my point of view across and not just spout pc claptrap, and just because I differ, doesn't mean I'm wrong - there are always two sides to every story.
The coin fell heads up buddy, and I set you straight. What more do you need? Should I send you a diagram?
08 Apr 10
Originally posted by SeitseThis is the problem as far as I'm concerned... some wonderkid in Brussells decides we're all one happy continent, and we should just accept that?
Eastern Europeans are not foreigners. They are Europeans
and you are also in Europe, hence you both have the right
to make yourselves feel at home all over the continent.
If you don't like it, why don't you move to Morocco or Syria?
Get real. For thousands of years European countries have fought each other, whether it be about territory or religion.
Just 'cos someone says 'right, we're all European, let's get along nicely now' doesn't mean it's going to happen.
This one Europe garbage has (and is) diluting the nationalities of all concerned - to everyone's detriment in my opinion.
When I've travelled across Europe, I don't want everyone to be able to speak English - I like having a go at the native language.
I don't want to go to Germany or Spain and have fish and chips - I want the local food.
I don't want to go to Holland or France and shop in the multi-national retail stores that we have in the UK, I want to experience what other countries and cultures have to offer - and I'm sure when people visit England they wish to do the same?
I am English, and proud to be English (despite its dwindling heritage) - my home is in England, if I wanted to live in a country full of foreigners I would move abroad.
Seitse, you're right, I don't like it. However, it's my right as a citizen to voice my dislike.
08 Apr 10
Originally posted by CrowleyIt's only uninformed vitriol because you don't agree with some of my views.
So are you telling me you will sprout your uninformed vitriol all over these forums, even when a person who actually LIVES in the country you are badmouthing tells you your expat "friend" is talking BS?
The coin fell heads up buddy, and I set you straight. What more do you need? Should I send you a diagram?
Who's to say that my friend isn't right, and it's actually you who's wrong?
Besides which, they're opinions, so neither can be right or wrong... you're starting to bore me now Crowley, 'cos all you appear to want to say is 'I'm right, you're wrong'... I left that behind in the schoolyard years ago mate.
08 Apr 10
Originally posted by blade68Proud to be English?
This is the problem as far as I'm concerned... some wonderkid in Brussells decides we're all one happy continent, and we should just accept that?
Get real. For thousands of years European countries have fought each other, whether it be about territory or religion.
Just 'cos someone says 'right, we're all European, let's get along nicely now' doesn't mean ...[text shortened]... ght, I don't like it. However, it's my right as a citizen to voice my dislike.
Sorry, we may not understand each other, but... why do you feel proud of something you had absolutely nothing to do with, i.e. being born in a place with laws indicating that you have a right to a nationality by virtue of just seeing your first light there?
I mean... sorry, it's an exotic idea for me. I am proud of my first oil painting, of my master's thesis, of the effort it took me to bake my first cake, etc. You know: things for which I actually did something.
*puzzled*
08 Apr 10
Originally posted by SeitseAre you proud of your parents?
Proud to be English?
Sorry, we may not understand each other, but... why do you feel proud of something you had absolutely nothing to do with, i.e. being born in a place with laws indicating that you have a right to a nationality by virtue of just seeing your first light there?
I mean... sorry, it's an exotic idea for me. I am proud of my first oil pain ...[text shortened]... to bake my first cake, etc. You know: things for which I actually did something.
*puzzled*
09 Apr 10
Originally posted by blade68No, actually your views are uninformed because you have the UK media, some websites and a guy who emigrated to your country, for reasons unknown, forming your views. I was born here, live here, work here and am raising a family here.
It's only uninformed vitriol because you don't agree with some of my views.
Who's to say that my friend isn't right, and it's actually you who's wrong?
Besides which, they're opinions, so neither can be right or wrong... you're starting to bore me now Crowley, 'cos all you appear to want to say is 'I'm right, you're wrong'... I left that behind in the schoolyard years ago mate.
I'm not giving you my opinion - I deal in facts.
So if the truth doesn't fit in with your pigeon-holed perception you just call shenanigans and run off, toys flying everywhere?
Jeez, don't you get tired of making an ass out of yourself?
09 Apr 10
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8610741.stm
Jörg Haider - check!
Terreblanche - check!
Pim Fortuyn - check!
Frank Vanhecke - pending
Jean-Marie Le Pen - pending
Pia Kjaersgaard - pending
Umberto Bossi - pending
Carl Hagen - pending
Paulo Portas - pending
Christoph Blocher - pending
Nick Griffin - pending
....
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09 Apr 10
Originally posted by SeitseAll I can presume is that you're not proud to be Mexican?
Proud to be English?
Sorry, we may not understand each other, but... why do you feel proud of something you had absolutely nothing to do with, i.e. being born in a place with laws indicating that you have a right to a nationality by virtue of just seeing your first light there?
I mean... sorry, it's an exotic idea for me. I am proud of my first oil pain ...[text shortened]... to bake my first cake, etc. You know: things for which I actually did something.
*puzzled*
09 Apr 10
Originally posted by CrowleyYes, the FACTS are that you were born, work, and live in SA...everything else you've mentioned is your opinion.
No, actually your views are uninformed because you have the UK media, some websites and a guy who emigrated to your country, for reasons unknown, forming your views. I was born here, live here, work here and am raising a family here.
I'm not giving you my opinion - I deal in facts.
So if the truth doesn't fit in with your pigeon-holed perception yo ...[text shortened]... un off, toys flying everywhere?
Jeez, don't you get tired of making an ass out of yourself?
...and then when you run out of anything constructive to say you resort to name calling.
I could respond with a quippy, undermining comment, but you know what - I'm not 12 years old anymore.
09 Apr 10
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Originally posted by blade68I think we're placed in two different frequencies on this issue.
All I can presume is that you're not proud to be Mexican?
Pride as an emotion involves the development of a sense
of self. Perhaps you are confusing pride with joy?
I am joyful of being Mexican, if that responds your question,
because it has given the chance of seeing and understanding
many things which perhaps I would not have been faced to
if born somewhere else. That, however, doesn't make me better
or worse or affects in any way my sense of self.
If we define pride as a positive emotion related to one's worth,
arising from praise (self or otherwise), I should ask: do you
think your worth is different than the worth of others just because
you hold an English passport?
I would say that your worth as a person comes from somewhere else.
Your great ability to make origami figures? The great effort you put
on scoring goals while playing footie with the lads? Your civic courage
to denounce people littering? Your hard work to provide plentiful
emotional and economic satisfactions to your wife and kids? Your
honest filling up of your tax forms and their prompt payment?
You know, buddy, things that you do, that cost you something
(resources, effort, etc.), not that were given to you just like that.
I mean, are you "proud" of breathing? Are you "proud" of your skin
color? Are you "proud" to be a male?
Dangerous stuff, I tell you.