Appeals to greed

Originally posted by uzless
go away. US citizens are amongst the lowest taxed people in the entire world. People like you will never be happy.

Just let them eat cake, right?

You unable to have a normal discussion without getting personal?
The discussion is everyone being treated the same way and everyone
sharing the pain of paying for the government that does what it for
the community good.
Kelly

Originally posted by uzless
Your current system has rich people paying more tax than poor people who pay little or no tax.

Why, oh why, do you suddenly want to make poor people even poorer by making them pay a flat tax of say 17% when they currently pay 0%??

Additionally, why oh why, do you think rich people should have the tax rate cut in half??


Please explain why you want to shift the tax burden from rich people to poor people. I can't wait for this.

I've not suddenly wanted this, it has always been my views about the
tax system. I think the tax system causes more pain and suffering
than it helps, it allows the government to get away with taxing the
country dry. If everyone felt it equally because everyone was paying
their fair share, then the government would not squander as much
over selfish things.

Everyone should be helping out if they are also drawing from the good
of the government, no matter what you make you should be doing
something. Taxing everyone equally across the board treats everyone
the same, and shares the burdern as each person grows or decreases
their income so does their tax burden.
Kelly

Originally posted by rwingett
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. [b]If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV[/b]

You have a point in that scripture I was just suppose to see, I cannot
read your mind so please share your reasons for that scripture.
Kelly

Originally posted by rwingett
But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. [b]If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic. Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. Do to others as you would have them do to you.
—Luke 6:27-31. NIV[/b]

What part are you driving at, the do on to others as you'd have them
do to you, or you think taxes is like getting hit in the face, or having
your money stolen?
Kelly

Originally posted by uzless
Sure, maybe in bizzaro world.

You shift the tax burden from the rich to the poor.

You want to bring back aristocracy? The aristocrats made the same bonehead arguments until the people rose up and kicked out them out of power way back in the day.

Hell, even Adam frickin Smith understood the concept of progressive tax and how it benefited the entire society.


You guys crack me up. You'd make good Barons and Dukes.

"Let them eat Cake"

If I were saying shift the burden off the rich on to the poor maybe,
but what I am saying is everyone should do what they can, everyone
should share the load, everyone who draws from the common money
pot or benefits from the common money should be putting into it,
their fair share.
Kelly

Originally posted by uzless

"let them eat Cake"

Quite the opposite: don't tax anybody's income, but should anyone, rich or poor, wish to eat cake, xe must pay a huge luxury tax.

Let them make cake!

Originally posted by KellyJay
No I understand, what you seem to be missing is that I'm saying
treating everyone the same is the only way to do it. I understand
you may enjoy being a socialist that is all fine and good, that is
completely up to you. In your world view you get to tell other
people what they need or not, I am of the opinion that you can
and should be able to do with w ...[text shortened]... others, you are
not allowing everyone to share the burden of the community equally.
Kelly

If you're truly interested in treating everyone the same, you should support the idea that everyone be given the same income. Only then will EVERYONE be treated the same. I seriously doubt that someone as self-centered as yourself would be willing to do that. You started this thread talking about GREED, but it's clear that the greediest poster on this thread is YOU. It's always the most self-centered that can't see themselves as they are.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
If you're truly interested in treating everyone the same, you should support the idea that everyone be given the same income. Only then will EVERYONE be treated the same. I seriously doubt that someone as self-centered as yourself would be willing to do that. You started this thread talking about GREED, but it's clear that the greediest poster on this thread is YOU. It's always the most self-centered that can't see themselves as they are.

Nope I'm not for forcing people to get paid the same amount for work,
because some work is worth more than others. I'm for letting everyone
make whatever they can and keep as much of it as possible to do with
what they will.
Kelly

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
If you're truly interested in treating everyone the same, you should support the idea that everyone be given the same income. Only then will EVERYONE be treated the same. I seriously doubt that someone as self-centered as yourself would be willing to do that. You started this thread talking about GREED, but it's clear that the greediest poster on this thread is YOU. It's always the most self-centered that can't see themselves as they are.

Why do you call me greedy? I'm saying everyone should be treated
the same way, you want to take more from others and nothing from
another group. You think people who draw from the public till should
not have to put into it, that is greedy in my opinon, and you'd be
a called a thief if you were suggesting the government do what you
are defending.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Nope I'm not for forcing people to get paid the same amount for work,
because some work is worth more than others. I'm for letting everyone
make whatever they can and keep as much of it as possible to do with
what they will.
Kelly

"Nope I'm not for forcing people to get paid the same amount for work, because some work is worth more than others."

So much for your idea that everyone should be treated the same. You only want them to be "treated the same" when it puts more money in your pocket. Stop hiding behind this false righteousness.

"I'm for letting everyone make whatever they can and keep as much of it as possible to do with what they will."

lol. If this isn't the ideology of the greedy, I don't know what is.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Why do you call me greedy? I'm saying everyone should be treated
the same way, you want to take more from others and nothing from
another group. You think people who draw from the public till should
not have to put into it, that is greedy in my opinon, and you'd be
a called a thief if you were suggesting the government do what you
are defending.
Kelly

Because your ideology is based in greed rather than helping your neighbor. Seems like there was someone who advocated helping your neighbor. Care to guess who?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]"Nope I'm not for forcing people to get paid the same amount for work, because some work is worth more than others."

So much for your idea that everyone should be treated the same. You only want them to be "treated the same" when it puts more money in your pocket. Stop hiding behind this false righteousness.

"I'm for letting everyone make ...[text shortened]... hey will."

lol. If this isn't the ideology of the greedy, I don't know what is.[/b]

You are very short sighted, and I suspect because you want some
one else' money to come your way. I believe teachers, doctors,
police, firefighters should get paid more than a hamburger flipper,
nothing against hamburger flippers, but laying one's life on the line
for others, or taking years our of your life to learn how do a job makes
that job worth more in my opinion. You picked a good name for
yourself here, ThinkOfOne, it seems you are the only one you are
thinking about.

I'm not hiding behind any amount of righteousness here, you are
attempting to paint yourself above greed, when it is you that want
someone else's money to be taken from them and given to another
that you are not willing to treat the same way. I don't want to take
money from the poor or the rich, I think both should be able to keep
as much as they earn, but for the common pot of money we all draw
from when we drive down roads and have the police protecting us, we
should all put into that same pot and one group should not be
made to do more than we ask of anyone else. That isn't greed that
is fair, you on the other hand seem to have some idea that people
are not entitled to the money they make and others are.
Kelly

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
[b]"Nope I'm not for forcing people to get paid the same amount for work, because some work is worth more than others."

So much for your idea that everyone should be treated the same. You only want them to be "treated the same" when it puts more money in your pocket. Stop hiding behind this false righteousness.

"I'm for letting everyone make ...[text shortened]... hey will."

lol. If this isn't the ideology of the greedy, I don't know what is.[/b]

It is called you earn it, it is yours, that isn't greed it is worked for
money. Taking what another works for, because you want to give it
to someone else who didn't, is greedy.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You are very short sighted, and I suspect because you want some
one else' money to come your way. I believe teachers, doctors,
police, firefighters should get paid more than a hamburger flipper,
nothing against hamburger flippers, but laying one's life on the line
for others, or taking years our of your life to learn how do a job makes
that job worth m have some idea that people
are not entitled to the money they make and others are.
Kelly

Actually it's because I have compassion, i.e. love for my neighbor. If you loved your neighbor you'd understand. You really have to be self-centered not to be able to see that there are many who cannot compete in a capitalistic society for whatever reason. If a society has compassion, it takes care of the less fortunate. You might want to consider placing compassion above money. Are you familiar with the second commandment of Jesus?

FWIW, my income level has been well above average for decades. Like I said earlier, I really don't minding paying more in tax to help support the less fortunate. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't mind paying quite a bit more. The fact that you are only interested in lowering your tax burden speaks volumes.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Actually it's because I have compassion, i.e. love for my neighbor. If you loved your neighbor you'd understand. You really have to be self-centered not to be able to see that there are many who cannot compete in a capitalistic society for whatever reason. If a society has compassion, it takes care of the less fortunate. You might want to consider placing bit more. The fact that you are only interested in lowering your tax burden speaks volumes.

You really don't understand anything about money and responsibility
do you? Compassion isn’t being hindered here, responsibility is being
avoided under the current system by people that have no stake in the
common pot of money except when they feel entitled to it, which I am
saying is wrong. There are people now, you it seems falls into this
category, where you demand others give you some of their money
simply because they have more than you, and you claim they must
give you their money because you think that is love?

The current system is not love that is the force of law, love will act
because it is the right thing to do, not because the force of law has
the government requiring it. No one is stopping anyone from being
compassionate to anyone else, but do not confuse government
regulations with compassion, compassion is from the heart it is
not because we are forced to.

There is nothing stopping the government from giving to those
that need it, that does not have to change. What would change
would be that when ever the government gives away money they
are taking money from people as you point out people who make
little, so whoever they give money too, better damn well deserve and
need it.

If you can give more to help others why are you waiting for the
government to take your money to do what you know needs done? You
to stinking lazy and uncompassionate to help others because it is the
right thing to, you want the government to do it for you so you don’t
have to be bothered? I’d say if that is the level of your compassion,
your compassion has a lot to be desired.
Kelly