Lennon or McCartney?

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Lennon was a destructive force. His emanations came from a crazed, drug induced, stuporously inane mind spewing out so called "poetry". Any man abandoning his oldest child for a deranged quasi-artist like Yoko Ono is flawed beyond redemption. Nothing uplifting was ever penned by Lennon. Edgy art for edginess' sake is what Lennon did and with profound me ...[text shortened]... ring on mentally obtunded and evidenced a man too full of himself to write anything of value.

no, i don't think so, i think Lennon wanted and searched for something deeper than she loves you yeah yeah yeah.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no, i don't think so, i think Lennon wanted and searched for something deeper than she loves you yeah yeah yeah.

But did he find it or help anyone find it? Therein lies the fallacy of exhalting those like Lennon. McCartney was not pretentious in that way. Lennon fancied himself a philosopher/poet. Simply because he searched does not elevate him, his music, his lyrics. His memorial garden is "strawberry Fields" for good reason. There is no one song that comes to mind that could possibly say less, mean even less and signify only a crazed drug stupor passing off as clever lyrics. Give me McCartney any day. Perhaps if he had stuck to "yeah,yeah, yeah" he may have eventually stumbled onto something.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
But did he find it or help anyone find it? Therein lies the fallacy of exhalting those like Lennon. McCartney was not pretentious in that way. Lennon fancied himself a philosopher/poet. Simply because he searched does not elevate him, his music, his lyrics. His memorial garden is "strawberry Fields" for good reason. There is no one song that comes to mi ...[text shortened]... Perhaps if he had stuck to "yeah,yeah, yeah" he may have eventually stumbled onto something.

no way, McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude, Lennon was writing songs like You got to hide your love away, even in the Beatles pre psychedelic days, a song apparently inspired by the figure of Dylan.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no way, McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude, Lennon was writing songs like You got to hide your love away, even in the Beatles pre psychedelic days, a song apparently inspired by the figure of Dylan.

Frankly, I liked them better together than by themselves. Harrison I dislike for his plagiarism. Dylan is a better overall songwriter and has better "poet" credentials than the Beatles. Pleasant songs were the Beatle way and in many respects way better than the current crop of nobodies like Lady Gaga-gag me! I was ruined for modern music by art songs like lieder.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Frankly, I liked them better together than by themselves. Harrison I dislike for his plagiarism. Dylan is a better overall songwriter and has better "poet" credentials than the Beatles. Pleasant songs were the Beatle way and in many respects way better than the current crop of nobodies like Lady Gaga-gag me! I was ruined for modern music by art songs like lieder.

plagiarism, who did he plagiarise from, if i may be so bold to ask ?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
plagiarism, who did he plagiarise from, if i may be so bold to ask ?

He is referring to the lawsuit wherein Harrison was convicted of "subconsciously copying" the Chiffon's hit 'He's So Fine' when he wrote 'My Sweet Lord.'

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
plagiarism, who did he plagiarise from, if i may be so bold to ask ?

Rwingett has it right. Plagiarized "My Sweet Lord". Once convicted I mistrust a songwriter for it. AT least Lennon and McCartney were always original. Lennon's post-Beatle material was pretty lame and Imagine a mere Utopian hymn trying to usher in the new world order.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Rwingett has it right. Plagiarized "My Sweet Lord". Once convicted I mistrust a songwriter for it. AT least Lennon and McCartney were always original. Lennon's post-Beatle material was pretty lame and Imagine a mere Utopian hymn trying to usher in the new world order.

Isn't it time for your tranquilizer dart yet?

Originally posted by rwingett
Isn't it time for your tranquilizer dart yet?

How 'bout your Melleril suppository? But alas your head might get in the way!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no way, McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude, Lennon was writing songs like You got to hide your love away, even in the Beatles pre psychedelic days, a song apparently inspired by the figure of Dylan.

McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude-robbie carrobie

Most profound? I disagree. "Let it" be comes to mind. "Long and winding road" is another.
Going back to their earlier days, "Yesterday" for Paul would be his most profound work in my opinion.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Lennon was a destructive force. His emanations came from a crazed, drug induced, stuporously inane mind spewing out so called "poetry". Any man abandoning his oldest child for a deranged quasi-artist like Yoko Ono is flawed beyond redemption. Nothing uplifting was ever penned by Lennon. Edgy art for edginess' sake is what Lennon did and with profound me ...[text shortened]... ring on mentally obtunded and evidenced a man too full of himself to write anything of value.

His emanations came from a crazed, drug induced, stuporously inane mind spewing out so called "poetry".

well, its not like McCartney never wrote "drug induced" music either. I understand Lennon was something of a wannabe Dylan at times, but at least he tried to develop his songwriting, whereas McCartney stuck to his musical abilities while frequently avoiding producing good lyrics, most of his stuff verges on the goofy, the man has a passion for schmaltz and this is undeniable.

Any man abandoning his oldest child for a deranged quasi-artist like Yoko Ono is flawed beyond redemption
I think you're confusing his personal life with his competence as a musician, and this is never a good thing if we're trying to have an objective evaluation of his musical merits.

Originally posted by scacchipazzo
Rwingett has it right. Plagiarized "My Sweet Lord". Once convicted I mistrust a songwriter for it. AT least Lennon and McCartney were always original. Lennon's post-Beatle material was pretty lame and Imagine a mere Utopian hymn trying to usher in the new world order.

I don't think it is fair to dismiss Harrison songwriting simply for the plagiarism of one song, following your logic we might as well be equally dismissive of all of Lennon's work simply because of the stolen lyrics found in "come together".

Originally posted by generalissimo
I don't think it is fair to dismiss Harrison songwriting simply for the plagiarism of one song, following your logic we might as well be equally dismissive of all of Lennon's work simply because of the stolen lyrics found in "come together".

No argument there. The man is a quasi-poet at best. Mistrust is not dismissing an entire body of work altogether. Happily no other cases surfaced. McCartney preferred smarm to plagiarism. Noting wrong with that. He was never as high as his buddy Lennon. McCartney was closer to Julian than his father was. I refuse to accept the social activism of one who has no personal peace yet tries to dictate it to others. What's wrong with that?

Originally posted by rwingett
He is referring to the lawsuit wherein Harrison was convicted of "subconsciously copying" the Chiffon's hit 'He's So Fine' when he wrote 'My Sweet Lord.'

ok, i was unaware of these wranglings 🙂