19 Dec 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzono, i don't think so, i think Lennon wanted and searched for something deeper than she loves you yeah yeah yeah.
Lennon was a destructive force. His emanations came from a crazed, drug induced, stuporously inane mind spewing out so called "poetry". Any man abandoning his oldest child for a deranged quasi-artist like Yoko Ono is flawed beyond redemption. Nothing uplifting was ever penned by Lennon. Edgy art for edginess' sake is what Lennon did and with profound me ...[text shortened]... ring on mentally obtunded and evidenced a man too full of himself to write anything of value.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieBut did he find it or help anyone find it? Therein lies the fallacy of exhalting those like Lennon. McCartney was not pretentious in that way. Lennon fancied himself a philosopher/poet. Simply because he searched does not elevate him, his music, his lyrics. His memorial garden is "strawberry Fields" for good reason. There is no one song that comes to mind that could possibly say less, mean even less and signify only a crazed drug stupor passing off as clever lyrics. Give me McCartney any day. Perhaps if he had stuck to "yeah,yeah, yeah" he may have eventually stumbled onto something.
no, i don't think so, i think Lennon wanted and searched for something deeper than she loves you yeah yeah yeah.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzono way, McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude, Lennon was writing songs like You got to hide your love away, even in the Beatles pre psychedelic days, a song apparently inspired by the figure of Dylan.
But did he find it or help anyone find it? Therein lies the fallacy of exhalting those like Lennon. McCartney was not pretentious in that way. Lennon fancied himself a philosopher/poet. Simply because he searched does not elevate him, his music, his lyrics. His memorial garden is "strawberry Fields" for good reason. There is no one song that comes to mi ...[text shortened]... Perhaps if he had stuck to "yeah,yeah, yeah" he may have eventually stumbled onto something.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieFrankly, I liked them better together than by themselves. Harrison I dislike for his plagiarism. Dylan is a better overall songwriter and has better "poet" credentials than the Beatles. Pleasant songs were the Beatle way and in many respects way better than the current crop of nobodies like Lady Gaga-gag me! I was ruined for modern music by art songs like lieder.
no way, McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude, Lennon was writing songs like You got to hide your love away, even in the Beatles pre psychedelic days, a song apparently inspired by the figure of Dylan.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzoplagiarism, who did he plagiarise from, if i may be so bold to ask ?
Frankly, I liked them better together than by themselves. Harrison I dislike for his plagiarism. Dylan is a better overall songwriter and has better "poet" credentials than the Beatles. Pleasant songs were the Beatle way and in many respects way better than the current crop of nobodies like Lady Gaga-gag me! I was ruined for modern music by art songs like lieder.
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20 Dec 10
I wouldn't argue with the 'Dylan was a better poet' comments, although personally I can't really stand him to be frank. I do like Lennon's Beatles writing, but after the break-up - not much else. Even the studio production on some of his music sounds hollow and amateurish (Imagine is an exception).
Some of McCartney's stuff seems silly at first glance but taking a step back you always see a commitment to quality; take the Frog Chorus for example, would I buy it NO, but it's an excellent piece of work nonetheless.
I respect McCartney for the Wings period too (albeit he new he needed a Denny Laine), to have a second career as successful as that after the Beatles is outstanding imo; songs like My Love, Maybe I'm Amazed and Mull of Kintyre speak volumes for the mans love of uplifting melody and his relationship with Linda.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRwingett has it right. Plagiarized "My Sweet Lord". Once convicted I mistrust a songwriter for it. AT least Lennon and McCartney were always original. Lennon's post-Beatle material was pretty lame and Imagine a mere Utopian hymn trying to usher in the new world order.
plagiarism, who did he plagiarise from, if i may be so bold to ask ?
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzoIsn't it time for your tranquilizer dart yet?
Rwingett has it right. Plagiarized "My Sweet Lord". Once convicted I mistrust a songwriter for it. AT least Lennon and McCartney were always original. Lennon's post-Beatle material was pretty lame and Imagine a mere Utopian hymn trying to usher in the new world order.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no way, McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude, Lennon was writing songs like You got to hide your love away, even in the Beatles pre psychedelic days, a song apparently inspired by the figure of Dylan.
McCartney was content to be surface, the most profound song he wrote was Hey Jude-robbie carrobie
Most profound? I disagree. "Let it" be comes to mind. "Long and winding road" is another.
Going back to their earlier days, "Yesterday" for Paul would be his most profound work in my opinion.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by scacchipazzoHis emanations came from a crazed, drug induced, stuporously inane mind spewing out so called "poetry".
Lennon was a destructive force. His emanations came from a crazed, drug induced, stuporously inane mind spewing out so called "poetry". Any man abandoning his oldest child for a deranged quasi-artist like Yoko Ono is flawed beyond redemption. Nothing uplifting was ever penned by Lennon. Edgy art for edginess' sake is what Lennon did and with profound me ...[text shortened]... ring on mentally obtunded and evidenced a man too full of himself to write anything of value.
well, its not like McCartney never wrote "drug induced" music either. I understand Lennon was something of a wannabe Dylan at times, but at least he tried to develop his songwriting, whereas McCartney stuck to his musical abilities while frequently avoiding producing good lyrics, most of his stuff verges on the goofy, the man has a passion for schmaltz and this is undeniable.
Any man abandoning his oldest child for a deranged quasi-artist like Yoko Ono is flawed beyond redemption
I think you're confusing his personal life with his competence as a musician, and this is never a good thing if we're trying to have an objective evaluation of his musical merits.
20 Dec 10
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Originally posted by scacchipazzoI don't think it is fair to dismiss Harrison songwriting simply for the plagiarism of one song, following your logic we might as well be equally dismissive of all of Lennon's work simply because of the stolen lyrics found in "come together".
Rwingett has it right. Plagiarized "My Sweet Lord". Once convicted I mistrust a songwriter for it. AT least Lennon and McCartney were always original. Lennon's post-Beatle material was pretty lame and Imagine a mere Utopian hymn trying to usher in the new world order.
20 Dec 10
Originally posted by generalissimoNo argument there. The man is a quasi-poet at best. Mistrust is not dismissing an entire body of work altogether. Happily no other cases surfaced. McCartney preferred smarm to plagiarism. Noting wrong with that. He was never as high as his buddy Lennon. McCartney was closer to Julian than his father was. I refuse to accept the social activism of one who has no personal peace yet tries to dictate it to others. What's wrong with that?
I don't think it is fair to dismiss Harrison songwriting simply for the plagiarism of one song, following your logic we might as well be equally dismissive of all of Lennon's work simply because of the stolen lyrics found in "come together".