18 Jul 10
Originally posted by KazetNagorraYour denying the existence of a Albert Herlong. Jr. who was a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-1969?
Well, if you pay for transport, I will go to San Jose and check the congressional record. My guess is about $2000 will do the job.
Or, that he entered into a Congressional record a list of the goals of the communist party in the US in 1963?
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by utherpendragonI'm not "denying" anything. I checked Glenn Beck's site, and he gives the 1994 book as his source. If he does have a credible source, I don't understand why he doesn't give it. Unless you are giving me the 2000 bucks, I cannot check the congressional record so I don't have an opinion on what's on there unless it's available through the internet.
Your denying the existence of a Albert Herlong. Jr. who was a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-1969?
Or, that he entered into a Congressional record a list of the goals of the communist party in the US in 1963?
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by KazetNagorraPersonally, I did not even look at the Glen Beck site.
I'm not "denying" anything. I checked Glenn Beck's site, and he gives the 1994 book as his source. If he does have a credible source, I don't understand why he doesn't give it. Unless you are giving me the 2000 bucks, I cannot check the congressional record so I don't have an opinion on what's on there unless it's available through the internet.
I provided the source.
You can google the congressional records.
It is a fact not a fabrication as you claim from a 1990's book.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by utherpendragonI assumed that since Glenn Beck provided such an unreliable source, the data would be fabricated. It turns out that Glenn Beck simply assumed his followers are stupid and would believe a list taken from a conspiracy nutcase.
Personally, I did not even look at the Glen Beck site.
I provided the source.
You can google the congressional records.
[b]It is a fact not a fabrication as you claim from a 1990's book.[/b]
I cannot check the congressional records; "GPO Access contains Congressional Record volumes from 140 (1994) to the present."
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by whodeyWhy not just look at the goals of the U.S. Communist Party circa 1963 and see how successful they were? Why look at what an anti-communist commentator said the goals of the U.S. Communist Party were circa 1963? So what if it was "entered into the Florida Congressional record" 47 years ago? What is the relevence to the present day?
The following was entered into a Congressional record by Albert Herlong. Jr. who was a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-1969. It was a list of the goals of the communist party in the US in 1963.
18 Jul 10
The Congressional record exists, but that does not mean it is not a fabrication. The list was originally written by noted loon Cleon Skousen. Wikipedia tells us the right-leaning National Review branded Skousen's book, The Naked Communist "so irrational in its paranoia that it would have made Whittaker Chambers blush." And anyone with a passing knowledge of Stalinist strategy at the time in question would realise that some of the entries would have, if anything, angered and dismayed Moscow. Some of the entries seem more like a conservative (and I use that word in its historical context, freepers) list of gripes than any strategic communist plan.
So we have a list drawn up by a lunatic and subsequently read out by some idiot Congressman, dismissed by respected right-wing journals at the time as bizarre fantasy, whose goals do not seem to marry up with orthodox Soviet doctrine at the time, now dug out by a contemporary half-wit to preach to the choir. That sound - of metal on wood - is the bottom of a barrel being scraped.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by DrKFSo you conceed that the document existed in the 1960's?
So we have a list drawn up by a lunatic and subsequently read out by some idiot Congressman, dismissed by respected right-wing journals at the time as bizarre fantasy, whose goals do not seem to marry up with orthodox Soviet doctrine at the time, now dug out by a contemporary half-wit to preach to the choir. That sound - of metal on wood - is the bottom of a barrel being scraped.[/b]
18 Jul 10
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Originally posted by whodey'Concede'? I never said otherwise, and my first post on the subject opened with the words 'the congressional record exists' and went on to speak of "a list drawn up by a lunatic and subsequently read out by some idiot Congressman". What an odd question.
So you conceed that the document existed in the 1960's?
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by DrKFThe Unfathomable Gotcha! Plays havoc with one's self-confidence.
'Concede'? I never said otherwise, and my first post on the subject opened with the words 'the congressional record exists' and went on to speak of "a list drawn up by a lunatic and subsequently read out by some idiot Congressman". What an odd question.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by DrKFMy only point here is that it matters little who wrote it. Inevitably, if I were to prove that communists wrote it the cry would be that it was not represetative. The bottom line is that you either can respect the vision of who wrote or have no appreciation like the general.
'Concede'? I never said otherwise, and my first post on the subject opened with the words 'the congressional record exists' and went on to speak of "a list drawn up by a lunatic and subsequently read out by some idiot Congressman". What an odd question.
18 Jul 10
Originally posted by DrKFAh! In looking up the date of the book, apparently I was looking at the last print, which dates back to 1994. The original book dates back to 1958. So it turns out this conspiracy nut wrote it down in a book and then some Congressman read them out in Congress.
The Congressional record exists, but that does not mean it is not a fabrication. The list was originally written by noted loon Cleon Skousen. Wikipedia tells us the right-leaning National Review branded Skousen's book, The Naked Communist "so irrational in its paranoia that it would have made Whittaker Chambers blush." And anyone with a passing kn ...[text shortened]... preach to the choir. That sound - of metal on wood - is the bottom of a barrel being scraped.