@joe-shmo saidJust a point, but you give 2498 whites as being shot against 1302 black people. What about Asians? It's a little difficult to understand these statistics. However, 2498 + 1302 = 3800. 2498/3800 = 65.7% and 1302/3800 = 34.2%. According to Wikipedia 76.5% of the US population is white and 13.4% is black, 5.9% asian, 1.3% native American and 0.2% Pacific Islander. Based on the statistics you've given it seems to be that black people are more likely to be shot by the police than white people.
Yeah...he seems to be having trouble with the fact that in the 5 years of WashPost database:
2498 Whites were shot, and 1302 Blacks.
Of Those, 146 Whites shot were unarmed vs 123 Blacks.
Every unarmed shooting is unjust, and as such, deserves a modicum of media lip service. Why is there none for the Whites!
What really bothers him ...[text shortened]... any black people are taking to social media to set the record straight, and its starting to sink in.
@sonhouse saidOh you ALMOST got it!!
@joe-shmo
Whether the victim is white or black or brown some policemen are thugs and took the job because of the power over people it gives them.
That means there should be much better vetting systems to weed out the thugs in the police force and to keep the upper ranks from silently condoning such killing.
This should be about the thug cops not that whites get killed too.
You were this >< close!
It should INDEED be about weeding out thug cops, better vetting etc. And you're right it should NOT be about whites getting killed.
IN FACT RACE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT AT ALL !!
If you fools could just grasp that concept and quit calling everyone a racist for minute, we could all get together and focus on the problem of weeding out thug cops.
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@DeepThought
European Whites ( Non- Hispanic ) Represent 60%. The 76% figure in wiki includes Hispanics.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
Feel free to examine the database. It has all the demographics ect...
And try to keep in the back of your mind.
1 Black Life = 1 White Life = 1 Life
P.S. This thread is about the distinct lack of media coverage on the unjustified shootings of unarmed whites in the US. They out number those on black year after year yet you cannot find an instance of any of them in the national media. Obviously, you will have no trouble finding journalistic investigations into those that were black victims.
Total Shot since 2015: 5468
White: 2498
Black: 1302
Hispanic: 908
Other & Unknown: 760
In the last two years the ratio of unjust, unarmed killings of Blacks to Whites is:
123/146 < 1
However as far as I can tell the ratio of national media coverage of said shootings Black to White is approximately infinity.
@sleepyguy saidAnd where are the proposals from the right wingers to reduce police killings and hold police accountable for unjustified ones? Joe certainly hasn't come up with any; his and the rest here's focus is solely on the dubious premise that if a black gets killed by a cop it's automatically national news while if a white does it automatically isn't. Absurd as that is it seems the only way to weave this issue into the white persecution narrative that is the backbone of the right wing these days.
Oh you ALMOST got it!!
You were this >< close!
It should INDEED be about weeding out thug cops, better vetting etc. And you're right it should NOT be about whites getting killed.
IN FACT RACE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT AT ALL !!
If you fools could just grasp that concept and quit calling everyone a racist for minute, we could all get together and focus on the problem of weeding out thug cops.
BLM's goal is to reduce police killings and they have proposed measures that would do so while right wingers have shown no interest in doing anything but spouting hatred of BLM and the "vocal black community" in order to appease their shrinking base.
@Soothfast Black Lives Matter is fighting to reform the criminal justice system in fundamental and meaningful ways. The "race war" crap does not jibe with reality and is something you or Fox News just made up.
Don't I *wish* that's all they were up to.
Ever see CNN - or anyone MSM, show video of a cop shooting a white guy?
And you never will. Beyond trying to fix the criminal justice system they are
clearly pushing to divide America.
And I have to hand it to them, they have done a marvelous job.
@joe-shmo saidSo, the new total of police shootings is 5468. If we add white to hispanic and work out the percentage we get 62.3%. If we work out the same percentage for black people we get: 23.8%. So the number of black people shot by the police is still disproportionate.
@DeepThought
European Whites ( Non- Hispanic ) Represent 60%. The 76% figure in wiki includes Hispanics.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/police-shootings-database/
Feel free to examine the database. It has all the demographics ect...
And try to keep in the back of your mind.
1 Black Life = 1 White Life = 1 Life
P.S. This thread i ...[text shortened]... ell the ratio of national media coverage of said shootings Black to White is approximately infinity.
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@deepthought saidOk. I'm working on the following counter statistic. Number of Fatal Shooting/ Per Engagement by race. That is how many times does a police engagement with a citizen end in a fatal shooting by race.
So, the new total of police shootings is 5468. If we add white to hispanic and work out the percentage we get 62.3%. If we work out the same percentage for black people we get: 23.8%. So the number of black people shot by the police is still disproportionate.
@joe-shmo saidWhich will prove only that police seek out engagements with blacks more so than whites.
Ok. I'm working on the following counter statistic. Number of Fatal Shooting/ Per Engagement by race. That is how many times does a police engagement with a citizen end in a fatal shooting by race.
We already know that.
@earl-of-trumps saidPretty sure CNN and the media showed this: &list=LLKjZkZBehZuNKTk7ECpc8QA&index=2969
@Soothfast Black Lives Matter is fighting to reform the criminal justice system in fundamental and meaningful ways. The "race war" crap does not jibe with reality and is something you or Fox News just made up.
Don't I *wish* that's all they were up to.
Ever see CNN - or anyone MSM, show video of a cop shooting a white guy?
And you never will. Beyond tryin ...[text shortened]... learly pushing to divide America.
And I have to hand it to them, they have done a marvelous job.
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Yes they seek to stop the never ending spree of concentrated gang violence in the urban black communities. (i.e they are trying to help) And even still ( while encountering literal murders on the street regularly in the Black community ) you are more likely to be killed as a White person per engagement than as a Black.
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@deepthought saidOver 50% of ALL murders and murder victims are Black killed by Black. ( Chiefly Gang Violence ). As 13% of the population what is the proportional relationship there? Try 7.
So, the new total of police shootings is 5468. If we add white to hispanic and work out the percentage we get 62.3%. If we work out the same percentage for black people we get: 23.8%. So the number of black people shot by the police is still disproportionate.
Please, have a look.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
@joe-shmo saidSure, cops are all just investigating "gang violence" when they "stop and frisk" in black neighborhoods or when they ignore white selling of drugs but pursue black drug dealers.
@no1marauder
Yes they seek to stop the never ending spree of concentrated gang violence in the urban black communities. (i.e they are trying to help) And even still ( while encountering literal murders on the street regularly in the Black community ) you are more likely to be killed as a White person per engagement than as a Black.
You're ability to spew out right wing propaganda isn't as an impressive skill as you think.
EDIT: In NYC: "More importantly, racial disparities remain dramatic: 90 percent of people stopped in 2016 were people of color." https://www.cssny.org/news/entry/stop-and-frisk
@joe-shmo saidMurders are what percent of a policemen's "engagements" with the public? Answer: about 10 million arrests, 10K for murder.
Over 50% of ALL murders and murder victims are Black killed by Black. ( Chiefly Gang Violence ). As 13% of the population what is the proportional relationship there? Try 7.
Please, have a look.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls
So this "stat" has absolutely nothing to do with your claim.
We know where this is going; blacks are going to be accused here of being innately more violent and thus police just have to screw with them more.
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@no1marauder saidIf you completely pulled police from the neighborhood. What do you anticipate is the outcome? You can save ALL of the lives lost to police brutality. In the end will there be more or less Black murder?
Sure, cops are all just investigating "gang violence" when they "stop and frisk" in black neighborhoods or when they ignore white selling of drugs but pursue black drug dealers.
You're ability to spew out right wing propaganda isn't as an impressive skill as you think.
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@no1marauder
Your cherry picking. What is the largest killer of blacks year in and year out....Black on Black GANG VIOLENCE.