A Decent Society

Originally posted by Scriabin
Perhaps not bankrupt, but certainly in over your head. Health care and social policy with respect to it, is something best evaluated through a complex process of economic analysis and comparative ethics -- looking at other societies as points of reference.

But then, thinking rather than mere chest thumping emotional posturing is not your strong suit -- a ...[text shortened]... ish yourself as a thoughful or ethical person on this issue, you can enjoy opining on it badly.

Not a single word of that addressed anything I wrote, nor fairly represented it. However, your insults are expected.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
I don't think it can. I don't think having the fire department put out my fires, or the police protect me, or the army defend me, etc are rights.

Aha, so you think there is no right to property. Never thought you were a communist.

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
Aha, so you think there is no right to property. Never thought you were a communist.

You're making stuff up. Where did I say I have no right to property?

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
You're making stuff up. Where did I say I have no right to property?

How do you enforce the right to property without police or lawyers?

Originally posted by lepomis
Pregnancy, delivery, child daycare , child health care... etc are all free if you don't have enough money... free is very affordable.

should taxpayers pay for people who can't be bothered to use contraception?

Originally posted by generalissimo
should taxpayers pay for people who can't be bothered to use contraception?

Yes.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
I don't think it can. I don't think having the fire department put out my fires, or the police protect me, or the army defend me, etc are rights.

Do you agree that governments are instituted among men to secure their Natural Rights?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
How do you enforce the right to property without police or lawyers?

''right to bear arms''?

Originally posted by lepomis
Which is a terrible way to fund it. Smokers are losing their numbers and soon everyone else will have to pick up the slack. They should just tax everyone and not discriminate.

LOL

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
How do you enforce the right to property without police or lawyers?

Does not the right to property predate lawyers and police?

Originally posted by no1marauder
Actually the bill was 100% funded by an increase in the excise tax on tobacco.

But I guess in your opinion it would be better to let them die of health problems than to actually raise taxes.

All I am saying is that things need to be done in a responsible way. For example, I suppose I could sell all I have and then run up as much debt that I can muster and then give it to "those in need", howevevr, is this a responsible approach? Actually, my approach would be better than governments because at least I would be giving according to need rather than entitlement.

Originally posted by Sleepyguy
Does not the right to property predate lawyers and police?

No.

Originally posted by whodey
All I am saying is that things need to be done in a responsible way. For example, I suppose I could sell all I have and then run up as much debt that I can muster and then give it to "those in need", howevevr, is this a responsible approach? Actually, my approach would be better than governments because at least I would be giving according to need rather than entitlement.

What is the "responsible approach" to the problem that 7 million children of working parents have no health care? How is addressing this problem as the present Congress and President have done "irresponsible"?

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
No.

The US system of government is based on Lockean Fundamental Rights and Social Contract theories and on the concept of Natural Law. Rejecting the premises of those belief systems is up to you, but it is not an option for policy makers in the US (absent a complete overthrow of the present system).

Originally posted by KazetNagorra
No.

Yes. Two people can recognise and respect property rights with no call for lawyers or police.

Most people do.